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I really wish we could dispense the myth of "good lawyers" in this context. That's not to say that there aren't such things as good and bad lawyers--there are--but "wealthy clients get away with stuff because they can afford better lawyers" doesn't really tell the story. Even if you have okay lawyers who fuck up a lot, if you have all the money in the world (or they think you do), you can get them to just keep working to try to fix it and throw new shit at the wall until something sticks. Normal people eventually run out of money.
The "every right available to the defense" list is an exhaustible list. If your client is Donald Trump and your goal is to stall, well, many or even most defense lawyers are going to know everything that goes on that list. It doesn't matter whether they charge $100 or $1000 an hour, and it doesn't matter whether they're fresh out of law school or have been practicing 30 years. A public defender can stall a case if he wants to.
Donald Trump and other rich litigants aren't buying "better lawyers". Those lawyers don't know more or have unique, novel trial strategies that work magic on the courts. And you can watch a trial to see that: There isn't a huge qualitative difference between the case that OJ's very expensive defense counsel put on and the case that Marcia Clark (a public servant) put on. Why? Because both sides spent a fortune. They didn't get better lawyers. They just got more of their lawyers' time. Simpson spent maybe $6 million on his lawyers, and the taxpayers of California spent $9 million on theirs. Johnnie Cochran was an extremely effective trial lawyer, but I don't think anyone would say any of Trump's lawyers is a once-in-a-generation talent.
The only reason you don't want a public defender is that the public defender is overworked. He has hundreds or thousands of clients and simply can't devote time to you. The public defenders in my jurisdiction are absolutely the smartest, best experienced criminal lawyers in town. Why? Because they've worked hundreds of criminal trials! But those guys don't have a thousand hours to look up case law in order to exhaust the list of rights for a defendant who needs to put off getting convicted until after November. Even Alina Habba can figure out the whole list if you throw an arbitrarily large pile of cash at her and let her put a room full of junior associates on it for a month.
It's not better lawyers. It's just more lawyer time.
And bribes. It's also bribes.
I say all this because I think a lot of people think that more expensive lawyer = better lawyer, and that's just not true. For many, many cases, hiring a cheaper lawyer can get you much further if it means your money buys more of your lawyer's time. That's the difference between being able to keep your lawyer if you have to appeal and not being able to appeal at all. It's the difference between going to trial and taking a less favorable settlement, and it's the difference between being able to pay for more hearings (say, for example, if you need to jam up the proceedings with frivolous motions) and going straight to the merits.
I don't generally do criminal work, but many, many more of the sad or frustrating "this is the end of the line" talks I've had with clients have had to do with the clients' financial situations than with the actual merits of their cases. At some point it's often just not cost effective for most people to pursue further litigation, and it doesn't matter who the lawyer is. If you're a member of the 1%, however--well, then you never have to worry about that. Just keep litigating forever, and it doesn't matter whether your lawyer is Clarence Darrow or Rudy fucking Giuliani.
The shortest part of your post is about bribes, but a side topic on that is that those expensive lawyers also know judges outside the courtroom and can apply pressure to get minor judgements to go their way. Did the "affluenza" judge really believe that judgement, or did he feel pressure from that social circle? Did Brock Turner's judge give him a very light sentence because he felt that was appropriate for sexual assault, or did he know the family? In the last case, it might just be an old man who doesn't think sexual assault is a bad crime.
Expensive lawyers also have political hook ups. They go golfing with the local rich people. Their kids are friends with the rich families' friends. And when those people need legal advice, they ask the expensive lawyers for advice. The expensive lawyers then start knowing who is doing what, and more importantly, who's breaking or has broken the law. They can then use this information to ask for a favor to stay quiet.
The Suits show did this a lot in the first couple of seasons, but so much so that it became boring in the latter seasons. House of Cards and Ozark also demonstrated how back door dealing can get things done with the right motivation.
Granted these are TV shows, but if I'm not mistaken I believe one of the Clinton's said HoC is very close to what actually happens.
Case and point, Trump's lawyers are currently arguing in front of the Supreme Court that presidents should be allowed to assassinate political rivals. They know they won't win, but have already succeeded in their goal to delay.