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I think so, once infrastructure is built out and battery tech has been perfected.
As is, the market is small because you have to be a home owner (good luck charging in an apartment parking lot), and you need to bear the expense of new battery packs every few years.
I could get an EV for my next car, but when my loan is paid off, I now need to get a loan for a new car, or new batteries. A gas car might be less reliable, but it will run for several more years with minor work after the loan is paid off.
Most EVs have a 10 year / 100K miles warranty, at least in the US.
My family uses to have a leaf. Battery degradation was considered normal wear and tear, and the thing only had a reliable range of like 50 miles by the time they got rid of it.
1st gen leaf? If so, it only had like 85 mile range new, so that degradation isn't the worst. It has air cooled batteries too, so it's known to have probably the fastest degradation in the US market
I don't remember which generation. The range when new was supposed to be over 100 miles though. My dad figured out fast that 100 miles was very optimistic if you had the AC or the heater on.
Then like I said, it decayed rapidly and the last year they had it, he barely made it to work, left it on a charger all day, and barely made it back.
Yeah, the leaf is notorious for not having proper battery thermal management, meaning it overheats when charging, which results in aggressive degradation. The small battery also means that you put many more full discharge-recharged cycles on the battery, which again accelerates degradation.
I bought an Hyundai Ioniq 5, with a 77.4 KWh battery, which is supposed to go 488 km (or 303 miles) of course it doesn't quite in real life, but it seems to handle about 422 km on a full charge. That battery pack has a liquid coolant loop, and the car actively heats and cools the the battery pack to keep it's temperature in the sweetspot, both when charging and driving. Additionally the car comes with a 8 year warranty on the battery pack, so if it loses more than 30% capacity, it will be a warranty replacement.
That being said, some of the people who bought a 2022 Ioniq 5 has tested their batteries now after 2 years of use, and even people who have almost exclusively fast charged the car are seeing less than 3% degradation over the 2 years of ownership.
Many other EVs come with 10 year warranties on the battery packs.
Tesla (which also have thermal management) has also publicised statistics that say that their vehicles have on average 12% degradation after driving 200.000 miles.
You are just spreading fud. Batteries do not wear out that quickly, and the infrastructure is here. I just recently drove through a tiny town in the middle of the mountains with less than 400 residents and they had three separate stations for charging, while they only had a single gas station in the whole town. The battery things you are saying are just completely false.
Just because someone has a different experience from you doesn't mean they're lying. Things are different in different places and people have a myriad of different experiences with things for a variety of reasons.
You’re not stating your experience. You said outright:
Incorrect, but availability nearby could affect your purchase decisions, even then you can buy a plug in hybrid and get the best of both worlds.
Factually incorrect, this isn’t an opinion, it’s just spreading misinformation.
Wait what? Why would you need a loan for a new car after your current car is paid off? This just doesn’t make sense.
I’ve literally never heard of anyone getting a loan to buy new batteries.
This is just factually incorrect as well. EVs statistically run longer with less maintenance than the same cost ICE car.
You might think I’m some EV fanatic, but I’m not I just hate misinformation being spread. Pretty much everything you said wasn’t opinion, it was just incorrect information. I have several ICE cars. I also have 1 EV. And I’ve done a shit-ton of research on the topic. Literally a cursory google would have shown you what you are saying is incorrect.
Availability of fast chargers is pretty much the only “opinion” based thing (and that’s still not opinion). Not having access to a charger at your home is inconsequential if you have a Walmart nearby and you bought a Hyundai or Kia or Genesis for example, because you get free fast charging for two years.
I think that makes sense. Seems to me that the EV market is mostly considered a luxury commodity at the moment and so isn't being made as a dependable and meaningful alternative to ICE machines yet. It partly worries me though that some law initiatives are pushing for EVs but without addressing waste, and ownership and reliability that applies to dumb cars. I've owned my ICE car for almost 2 decades, and that's something I'd like to see in an EV before I can make the switch.