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My "single issue voter" issue is guns. I firmly believe that if you want gun control, you're either an idiot or a bad person.
I also think immigration needs to be curtailed. Its just companies importing cheap labor.
The number one cause of deaths for children in the U.S. is firearms. The U.S. is unique in this. Most other countries have been able to figure it out and deal with it, and they do so through gun control.
You honestly believe that following in the footsteps of the rest of the developed world to reduce the deaths of children makes somebody an idiot or a bad person? That's ridiculous.
Only if you don't count under 1s and you do count 18 and 19 year olds. Lying with stats at it's best.
Yes. Have you seen the rest of developed world?
Australia prohibitted fucking Muskets and now they banned Hentai (which is the government basically saying "You are not adults, drawings are for adults only"). They also can't figure out how to house their people, and they're going after Indigenous people. They've heavily curtailed freedom of movement, to the point a baby died because they couldn't get care. At one point, there were only 4 affordable places for rent in the entire country, and they decided to keep importing people (a byword for cheap labor).
Britain is going after knives now, and they convicted a guy over a joke (as in a joke that was spoken, and was clearly a joke, not even questionably a joke). They've heavily curtailed freedom of speech. The NHS is failing, and they keep importing more people (cheap workers, not doctors) further overloading the system. Not to mention their housing crisis.
Canada is facing similar problems, going after native Canadians, healthcare system overloaded, housing crisis, cheap labor pushing wages down.
I'm not saying America is perfect, but Lord Almighty are they having a hard time, and it's entirely self-inflicted. And lefties wonder why the right wing is on the rise.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761
I'm not lying with stats. It's how this is tracked. Distrusting the experts is how we got into this mess in the first place.
Yes. I've seen how they prevent children from getting shot in their schools. We should do the same.
Not gonna bother touching the rest of what you said since it simply isn't relevant to gun control.
They have self inflicted lower rates of children firearm deaths. Here in America it is only growing.
I'm not the biggest gun guy myself, all I have is my dads old .22, but gun rights I definitely would like our future president to respect.
I'm for some of the more basic restrictions - but what is being pushed by the left ('assault' weapon bans, semi automatic bans) is atrocious and unconstitutional. It seems obvious to me that to work to ban something, you should at least try to understand it. But the left seems obsessed with trying to ban guns with absolutely 0 knowledge about them
I own 16 guns. I support banning AR-15 style assault weapons, gun owner insurance (like car insurance), and I am donating time and money to get it done. I work every day with Europeans. Their kids don't have "active shooter" drills. My daughter is scared to death of going to school, and I don't blame her. This has got to stop.
BS you own 16 guns. AR15s are the most common rifles around.
And also you aren't required to have car insurance to own a car.
Well, 15 if you discount the 50 cal TC Omega black powder. I've an 8mm Mauser kar98 complete with WWII Nazi symbols, My bird guns include a Browning 16ga o/u and a Remington 1100 3.5", there's a 22 Marlin in there, a 44 mag Pardner single shot for sabots, etc etc etc.
Just because I own and use a good number of firearms, that doesn't mean I'm brainwashed by the corrupt, sleazy NRA.
I can't tell if you're a bad person, or just an idiot. The AR is no more deadly than any of those, aside from the 22lr.
What do you mean by this?
Semi autos?
Scary looking rifles?
Long barrels?
We literally had gun clubs at school without these issues. It's clearly not a gun problem, it's that our young adults and kids aren't mentally healthy or getting the help they need. The school system is failing, and our society encouraging single parent households is causing a lot of these problems, too.
And your daughter is a child and looks at things childishly. The only reason she should be scared is if it's over reported and over exposed to people. The chances of being in a school shooting is extremely extremely extremely low. If she was more reasonable and had an adult to help her understand life, she'd be more scared of dying in the car ride to school.
Without knowing fully your parenting style, I'd blame you. Somewhere, your child has become overly anxious of an extremely unlikely scenario. Should we ban any metal post above 10 ft tall because some kids are scared of being struck by lightning?
Do I have to be the biggest gun guy to respect the constitution?
I'm not the biggest protestor, but I'm for everyones right to protest, see how that works?
Your daughter, against all logic and reason, is 'scared to death' of going into one of the safest places in the world. You're the adult, you should at least see logic and reason, but instead you seem to foster an environment against that, and once you're challenged you don't have an argument back.
If you don't want to respond to a comment, why reply?
Your response attempted to attack my character, and despite that I responded to you.
Do you have a response to my argument or you just want to say I lied and use all the 'same bs arguments' (that somehow you can't argue against??) as the 'rest of the gun nuts' (anyone that doesn't want to ban guns is a gun nut??)
I'm fully content with myself and my life, I don't like you replying to comments with 0 valuable input just to call people lying gun nuts.
Don't worry man, I smoke enough for the both of us.
Maybe don't go out of your way to join a very small community on a very small post simply to insult someone on subjects you know nothing about?
Firearm deaths are now the number one cause of death for children in the U.S., and this problem is unique to the U.S.
It's well within reason to be scared of it.
Because the statistics you're using counts 18 and 19 year olds as children despite other death statistics properly including excluding 18 and 19 year olds in children deaths.
Once again, it's not. Is it within reason to be scared to death to take a car ride to school? The chances of dying in a car crash is much much much much much more likely than dying in a school shooting.
I think the reason your child is scared 'to death' of dying in a school shooting is because of your fears. Please don't pass your unreasonable fears to your children.
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Not anymore. Firearm deaths have surpassed motor vehicle deaths.
You misread my statement. Are you claiming that school shootings cause more deaths than vehicle accidents?
Source please.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761
"Since 2016, that gap has narrowed, and in 2020, firearm-related injuries became the leading cause of death in that age group"
Okay, that's firearm related injuries.
What about Mass school shooting deaths?
Come on man, at least argue in good faith. This is very simple.
Yup
Also up. And not all school shootings are mass shootings.
https://www.statista.com/chart/19982/number-of-us-k-12-school-shootings-per-decade/
I am. Not sure why you care about the distinction between how a gun killed a child. In any case a child is dead which would seemingly be a disgrace to our nation. In either case it's another child dead which makes all other children scared as is reasonable.
The comment I was responding to said his daughter was scared to death to go to school because of school shootings.
Hence me saying that's an absurd fear to have, as the chances of that are extremely extremely so extremely small.
Hence the comparison between dying in a car accident on the way to school, being much much much much much much much much more likely than dying in a school shooting.
You pulling up all firearm related injuries is completely irrelevant.
"Extremely small" is an inherently subjective view of the statistics. Basing your entire argument off of something subjective generally isn't wise.
Cool. That doesn't matter though because school isn't the only place that children are getting shot to death at. Schools are just one such place. Kids are plenty capable of being scared of being in multiple places. Schools are just one place of many they're becoming scared of.
It absolutely is, because firearms being the number one death of children is the reason why children are scared for their life in this fucked up country. It's directly related.
I didn't it, once again your reading comprehension could do some work. I said that she should be more fearful of dying in a car wreck.
Saying something is a small chance to happen is subjective, you're right. Saying it's more likely that she dies in a car wreck is objective.
In the scenario that the daughter is scared to go to school because of school shootings, yes that's what we are discussing.
We're only talking about school shootings. If you want to talk about all shootings create your own thread
No, it's wrong. Children are getting shot and killed by firearms more than they are dying from car crashes.
School shootings aren't the only way children are getting shot and killed though, so limiting the discussion to just that aspect is disingenuous.
You are. I'm talking about ALL the various ways our children are mercilessly shot to death, meanwhile our country refuses to do anything about it.
I'm good
It's objectively correct.
That's not what we're talking about. It may be what you want to talk about, but then start a conversation on a different post or different chain.
I don't give a shit what you want to talk about. You replied to my comment.
Ah, I see, In your head banning military style weapons of mass death is equated to banning everything. Got it. It's difficult to have discussions with somebody so simple minded.
idiot. My daughter's school had four lockdowns due to active shooter alerts in the last school year alone.
You're lost cause, I'll stop responding now..
The amount of hyperbole in your comment is appalling.
I'm asking.
You aren't answering.