this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2023
-13 points (38.2% liked)

conservative

955 readers
1 users here now

A community to discuss conservative politics and views.

Rules:

  1. No racism or bigotry.

  2. Be civil: disagreements happen, but that doesn't provide the right to personally insult others.

  3. No spam posting.

  4. Submission headline should match the article title (don't cherry-pick information from the title to fit your agenda).

  5. Shitposts and memes are allowed until they prove to be a problem. They can and will be removed at moderator discretion.

  6. No trolling.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

I'm new to Lemmy, and trying to get a gauge on the community. Unfortunately, it seems that it's just gonna be another heavily left wing website, but hoping that the smaller pockets of users will be reasonable.

What are the issues that the Conservative community here cars about most?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] MasterObee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because the statistics you're using counts 18 and 19 year olds as children despite other death statistics properly including excluding 18 and 19 year olds in children deaths.

It’s well within reason to be scared of it.

Once again, it's not. Is it within reason to be scared to death to take a car ride to school? The chances of dying in a car crash is much much much much much more likely than dying in a school shooting.

I think the reason your child is scared 'to death' of dying in a school shooting is because of your fears. Please don't pass your unreasonable fears to your children.

[–] PizzaMan -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because the statistics you’re using counts 18 and 19 year olds as children despite other death statistics properly including excluding 18 and 19 year olds in children deaths.

X to doubt

Is it within reason to be scared to death to take a car ride to school? The chances of dying in a car crash is much much much much much more likely than dying in a school shooting

Not anymore. Firearm deaths have surpassed motor vehicle deaths.

[–] MasterObee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not anymore. Firearm deaths have surpassed motor vehicle deaths.

You misread my statement. Are you claiming that school shootings cause more deaths than vehicle accidents?

Source please.

[–] PizzaMan 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

"Since 2016, that gap has narrowed, and in 2020, firearm-related injuries became the leading cause of death in that age group"

[–] MasterObee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Okay, that's firearm related injuries.

What about Mass school shooting deaths?

Come on man, at least argue in good faith. This is very simple.

[–] PizzaMan 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Okay, that’s firearm related injuries.

Yup

What about Mass school shooting deaths?

Also up. And not all school shootings are mass shootings.

https://www.statista.com/chart/19982/number-of-us-k-12-school-shootings-per-decade/

Come on man, at least argue in good faith. This is very simple.

I am. Not sure why you care about the distinction between how a gun killed a child. In any case a child is dead which would seemingly be a disgrace to our nation. In either case it's another child dead which makes all other children scared as is reasonable.

[–] MasterObee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The comment I was responding to said his daughter was scared to death to go to school because of school shootings.

Hence me saying that's an absurd fear to have, as the chances of that are extremely extremely so extremely small.

Hence the comparison between dying in a car accident on the way to school, being much much much much much much much much more likely than dying in a school shooting.

You pulling up all firearm related injuries is completely irrelevant.

[–] PizzaMan 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hence me saying that’s an absurd fear to have, as the chances of that are extremely extremely so extremely small.

"Extremely small" is an inherently subjective view of the statistics. Basing your entire argument off of something subjective generally isn't wise.

Hence the comparison between dying in a car accident on the way to school, being much much much much much much much much more likely than dying in a school shooting.

Cool. That doesn't matter though because school isn't the only place that children are getting shot to death at. Schools are just one such place. Kids are plenty capable of being scared of being in multiple places. Schools are just one place of many they're becoming scared of.

You pulling up all firearm related injuries is completely irrelevant.

It absolutely is, because firearms being the number one death of children is the reason why children are scared for their life in this fucked up country. It's directly related.

[–] MasterObee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Extremely small” is an inherently subjective view of the statistics. Basing your entire argument off of something subjective generally isn’t wise.

I didn't it, once again your reading comprehension could do some work. I said that she should be more fearful of dying in a car wreck.

Saying something is a small chance to happen is subjective, you're right. Saying it's more likely that she dies in a car wreck is objective.

That doesn’t matter though because school isn’t the only place that children are getting shot to death at

In the scenario that the daughter is scared to go to school because of school shootings, yes that's what we are discussing.

, because firearms being the number one death of children is the reason why children are scared for their life in this fucked up country. It’s directly related.

We're only talking about school shootings. If you want to talk about all shootings create your own thread

[–] PizzaMan 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Saying it’s more likely that she dies in a car wreck is objective.

No, it's wrong. Children are getting shot and killed by firearms more than they are dying from car crashes.

In the scenario that the daughter is scared to go to school because of school shootings, yes that’s what we are discussing.

School shootings aren't the only way children are getting shot and killed though, so limiting the discussion to just that aspect is disingenuous.

We’re only talking about school shootings.

You are. I'm talking about ALL the various ways our children are mercilessly shot to death, meanwhile our country refuses to do anything about it.

If you want to talk about all shootings create your own thread

I'm good

[–] MasterObee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, it’s wrong.

It's objectively correct.

Children are getting shot and killed by firearms more than they are dying from car crashes.

That's not what we're talking about. It may be what you want to talk about, but then start a conversation on a different post or different chain.

You are. I’m talking about

I don't give a shit what you want to talk about. You replied to my comment.