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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Symbolic gesture vetoed.

Palestine simply doesn't have any viable leadership. It's ok to criticize Israel, but still not ok to criticize Palestine, so nobody is holding Palestinian leadership to account.

You got Fatah which is corrupt. You got Hamas which is corrupt and are terrorists.

If Palestine had full independence tomorrow, what kind of state would it be? A failed state. The next Yemen, Somalia, or Afghanistan.

But yeah give some legitimacy to the corrupt leaders of an occupied territory and continue to avoid looking at the reality of how bad their leadership is a little longer. That will improve things for Palestinians!

Oh right, I forgot we're supposed to performatively care about Palestinians while not actually caring about them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Chicken versus the egg. How can they have any viable leadership when there is no right of self-determination? When there is an occupation? When land grabs via illegal settlement building has continued for decades and decades. Israel gets admonished at best but none that hasn't stopped the settlement building (filled by crazy right wing religious folks). When there's a boot on your neck at all times, how do you expect a people to flourish, to have a "viable leadership"? When right wing religious zealots who believe all of Israel is theirs run amok.

This argument seems to want to shift blame on the occupied, not the occupiers. Basically another form of dehumanization that has been trodded out when it becomes harder to look past the indiscriminate, disproportionate (common theme) killing of civilians.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

I have Palestinian friends and I actually care about them fwiw.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya 0 points 2 months ago

You're getting downvoted, but a lot of people who only hear of the conflict from their own bubble and from what mainstream media reports do not realise that there are various factions within Palestine. So much so that there was a civil war between PLO and Hamas. PLO controls West Bank while Hamas controls Gaza from this resulting conflict.

In any case, Fatah and Hamas are untrustworthy, while the moderate PLO are neutered and often accused by ordinary Palestinians as puppet for Israel.

Palestine is not wholly represented by one government or faction. I'm afraid you're right on this. I think the only way for there to be peace is for ordinary Israelies and Palestinians to mutually demand to their politicians to renounce violence and both accept the two-state solution.