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I swear, ~~every time~~ most of the time I see someone being particularly rude, ignorant, and inappropriate on a post (usually political in origin, or they swing it to being political) I click on their profile and see it has been created that same day.

They are only there to sow discord. Only to piss people off. Idk if we can just report them (for what?) but I'd like to try exposing them before responding and interacting..

I am guilty of gobbling up the bait. I've started looking at profiles of people that piss me off exceptionally and noticed they're burner bot loser accounts.

I guess i just want to say I've noticed it!

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 8 months ago (19 children)

Memba reddit comments circa 2016 election? I memba.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Oh me too! I ‘memba!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know if 50k people, at least a third of whom are outside of the US is a big enough target or if I’m being naïve in thinking that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I was thinking the same thing. It’s definitely not a coordinated propaganda thing. Some people are just assholes. And they like to troll.

But who knows, maybe someone, somewhere, knows about lemmy—some government/interest group—and think it’s worth it because it can be accessed through mastodon, blue sky, etc. The fediverse seems to be a relatively popular subject these days. So, I dunno. Maybe.

But I think some people just suck and think trolling is a good pastime.

[–] disguy_ovahea 5 points 8 months ago (8 children)

It’s already getting like that over there. That’s why I’m here now. The last straw was a “Reddit Recommendation” that I join r/InternationalNews. I took a look around, and it was a hotbed of anti-Israel and anti-America content. There was the video of the university detonation from January 20th, posted that day and pinned to the top. When I commented on the date and provided the source, I was downvoted to oblivion, and eventually banned.

The sub was #7 under recommended news subreddits.

[–] MotoAsh 49 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] samus12345 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

The government, not the citizens, as per usual.

[–] MotoAsh 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yep, Israel is not Jews, and Jews are not Israel.

[–] Aceticon 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Beyond that even: not all Israelis share the way of thinking of the Government of Israel.

Plenty of decent people even in a country which has for decades been heavy in nationalism, delusions of inherent racial superiority and generally Zionist indoctrination.

They're probably the minority rather than the majority though.

[–] MotoAsh 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I also do not view Israel as Israelis, or Israelis as Israel. Just like most of the US hates BOTH Biden and Trump, yet those are our options.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Bibi is basically a centrist in Israel so I dont think that holds up. eg the humanitarian aid at some border crossings are being picketed by Israeli chuds. Sure there are some good Israelis but they aren't the norm.

[–] Ultragigagigantic 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The working class of every country has their respective 1%ers that need to be dealt with. Non violently, through electoral reform preferably.

Fuck first past the post voting. Intentionally limiting the number of viable options to pick from is NOT democracy.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're not going to have much of a better time here if you like Israel and aren't critical of the US. Lemmy is full of socialists lol

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Recommended by who though? Spez, that's who. Race-baiting works to increase "engagement" e.g. clicks and comments, thus it continues.

[–] disguy_ovahea 7 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (4 children)

anti-Israel and anti-America content is cool actually

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

it was a hotbed of anti-Israel and anti-America content.

Welcome to a hotbed of anti-imperial, anti-colonial, and anti-settler content 😂 If you’re looking for pro-imperial core content, you’ve come to the wrong place.

[–] Sprawlie 1 points 8 months ago

I deleted my 14 year old account after enough BS on Reddit

Going there with no account but not really on private mode so i got recommendations for regional subs

canada_sub keeps getting pushed. That sub is an alt right neo nazi echo chamber in which the founder and head mod admitted to astroturfing himself with multiple accounts to push hateful topics.

Reddit is intentionally pushing misinformation and hatred for metrics to prop up the ipo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, Israel hate is a relatively common position these days.

Of course there are less than intelligent people that think “anti Israel…okay, so fuck the Jews!” Like, no. Fuck those people. And in a social media environment, nuance isn’t allowed. If it sounds like maybe you might be possibly on “the other side” of a popular issue, fuck you there is no room for understanding. It’s a huge problem. I’ve noticed more conversations on lemmy that don’t fall into that trap as easily. But, that does seem to be changing somewhat.

It’s not entirely social media, that’s just people. But I do firmly believe social media has made this problem exponentially worse.

I mean, it seems like you and I would disagree on the Israel/palestine issue. But we’re here discussing the discussion surrounding it. On Reddit, that literally never happened to me.

[–] disguy_ovahea -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

It doesn’t matter if it’s popular. It’s still racist or nationalist. Just like people who say “fuck Palestinians,” you’re labeling an entire nation or group for the actions of their leader(s).

As an American, am I Biden or Trump? No. I’m an American. I should not be held accountable for the actions of the leader of my nation, even more so if I voted against them.

Netanyahu won his last election with 64% of the popular vote, and is currently polling at 15% popularity with the Israelis.

Hamas won the last election with 44.45% of the popular vote (similar to Trump, they won without popular majority).

I’m just saying words matter. “Fuck Israel” means all Israelis. I think you may just mean “fuck Benjamin Netanyahu.” In that, you’d likely have support of most of the world.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Eh. It’s actually different. The popular position is that Israel the state is committing genocide. That’s not he same thing as saying “fuck Palestinians.” Because people aren’t saying “fuck Israelis.” They’re saying fuck Israel for what they’re doing.

You seem to be implying the nimrods who, as I explained earlier, lack the concept of nuance and take anti-israel positions to the illogical extreme of just becoming antisemitic. It’s the same type of people who were assaulting anyone of Asian descent during Covid. You can’t lump everyone who was being careful not to get sick in with the people who were pushing old Asian women down the subway stairs.

“Fuck Israel” means all Israelis

What. No. It absolutely does not. That’s you being overly sensitive and basically misunderstanding a message. If I say “fuck the US” in the context of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, that doesn’t mean “fuck everyone from the US.” Thats such an illogical conclusion to come to.

Also, I don’t know where you got your numbers, I can only find these figures about Netanyahu’s approval ratings in Israel:

According to a survey of more than 700 people carried out by the Israel Democracy Institute this month, 57 percent of the public rates Netanyahu’s performance as “poor or very poor,” while only 28% believe it is “good or excellent.” 14% assess his performance as “so-so.”

And this:

On both questions, Israelis agree with Netanyahu: A poll last month by the Israel Democracy Institute found that nearly two-thirds of Israelis say Israel should “expand its military operations into Rafah.” A separate February poll by IDI found, by the same token, that 55% of Israelis oppose Palestinian statehood, compared to 37% who support it.

https://en.idi.org.il/articles/53305

This one survey is the source for those numbers, and it doesn’t paint as clear of a picture of not supporting Netanyahu. Now, this doesn’t mean anything about antisemitism. That’s always wrong. But my point is that, first off, you seem to be skewing numbers to make a point, unless you have data I can’t find. Secondly, you also seem to be falling in with that group of people who can’t grasp or don’t operate with any nuance. I can say fuck people who support the genocide, whether they are in Israel or elsewhere in the world. Because…it’s fucking genocide. That doesn’t mean I get to generalize about them and hate hem for unrelated qualities, like their religion or skin color. But I can hate their beliefs about what’s happening. It’s all about nuance. It’s very fucking important.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It’s never too late to learn the difference between a people and a state.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My old comments would have had me banned a hundred times over today.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Jesus what kind of shit did you used to say lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I was fresh off the bus from 4chan and is was the same culture in the early days.

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