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Tesla scraps its plan for a $25,000 Model 2 EV (arstechnica.com)

submitted 8 months ago by boem to c/technology

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

There's just so many better options than Tesla these days.

[–] CliveRosfield 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Such as…?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hyundai seems to be the top choice right now. They have the best combination of value, features, technology and reliability.

The Ioniq 5 is, at least where I live in Canada, is on a perpetual waitlist (except for the base 2wd model nobody wants). I'm personally waiting for the Ioniq 7 to replace my rusting Outback.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Rivian, Audi, BYD, Ford.. and many more. All of which I'd rather own

[–] AA5B 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Given the range of vehicles here, you’re clearly just reading articles rather than looking. From the perspective of US…

Rivian is quite promising but only has two models more competing with Model X, and they’re more expensive than Tesla and haven’t gone through the scaling process Tesla dealt with for Model 3. The long term Investment from Amazon is a huge deal for their future, otherwise I would never have considered them for lasting. Here’s hoping for their new models in a couple years that they promise will be competitive with model 3/y. Well see
Audi has some excellent high end vehicles, more competing against Model S, but slower and more expensive. Last I looked, huge lead time since they’re not made in us and aren’t shipped in quantity
Ford is just starting out, featuring their F-150 Lightning, but only selling high end models with huge dealer markup, and are cutting way back. There’s not really a Tesla they compete against, since Cybertruck would appeal to a different demographic. Even if I wanted a pickup, I wouldn’t want to deal with that nor could afford it
BYD sure looks intriguing for cheap EVs if their pricing is sustainable, but will not be available in US anytime soon. There is not yet any Tesla model these would compete with, but several manufacturers have announced cheap EVs in a couple years and BYD will take at least that long to establish themselves in Mexico in the hope of getting around protectionism, so it might be part of a flood

For EVs available now in the US, Teslas are frequently the less expensive option with the best features and quality. However admittedly there are so few models, from any manufacturer, that it’s hard to see much direct competition

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I literally currently own one of the EVs I listed (and also have driven a Model S cross-country), so I have not "just been reading articles". Tesla's quality has gone down the shitter, so if that's what you're looking for there are much better options. I'm curious as to what features (other than the "self" driving that kills people) you're missing if not in a Tesla.

Also, Rivian has a truck (how does that compete with the Model X?), and Ford has more than just the truck in the EV space. Are you sure you know what you're talking about here?

[–] AA5B 0 points 8 months ago

Yes

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Depends on what you're looking for. I had a high paying tech job (layoffs op), and I wanted a fun car that accelerates fast but also is a good daily driver. I was in the ~60k price range, so I was looking at things like the Corvette Stingray, but there are too many compromises for that car in terms of daily driving.

The Model 3 accelerates faster 0-30, and the same speed 0-60. Off the line it feels way snappier and responsive because it's electric, and the battery makes its center of gravity lower, so it's remarkably good at cornering for a sedan, being more comparable to a sports car in terms of cornering capabilities than a sedan.

Those aren't normally considerations for people trying to find a good value commuter car, so you would literally just ignore all those advantages. Yet people don't criticize Corvette owners for not choosing a Hyundai lol

On the daily driving front, Tesla wins out massively over other high performance cars in that price range. Being able to charge up at home, never going to a gas station, best in class driving automation/assistance software, simple interior with good control panel software, one pedal driving with regen breaking.

If you're in the 40k price range for a daily commuter, your criteria will be totally different, and I am not well versed enough in the normal considerations of that price tier and category to speak confidently to what's the best value. Tesla does however, at the very least, have a niche in the high performance sedan market.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

Man, I love the internet.

"I did a lot of research and decided to buy a Tesla, here's an in depth writeup of that experience."

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