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[–] lennybird 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (21 children)

Hahaha oh please, if this isn't the biggest form of grandstanding meets concern-trolling I've seen in a long time.. Spare me this armchair expert analysis from a position of comfort and doing substantively nothing.

But do contact the White House with your genius insight. I'm sure you've totally evaluated all aspects of this decision-making and totally aren't missing variables, Mr.Dunning-Kruger. ;)

[–] WraithGear -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (20 children)

Like wise to you! We have every right to criticize Biden, and it’s our civic duty to do so and to vote as we will. Maybe next time we be allowed to strategically vote in order to get representation, oh but not this time because trump is the opponent, as if there isn’t a line of stooges in the republicans party waiting for him to die to co-opt his nationalistic hate mob.

As a matter of fact, the way i see it, if the democrats lose this election because they disenfranchised the voters, this would be a huge incentive to have an actual left candidate after the next 4 trump years. Which would benefit me in the long term. Otherwise we will be stuck in the “you can’t vote for who you want, if you don’t vote for the slightly less evil candidate, democracy will die” hole forever. And always shifting right in the process.

[–] lennybird 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (19 children)

You seem to believe that progress and maintenance of the status-quo can easily remedy the damage done by a legitimate fascist regime as seen in the Trump party. Even if you got your dream candidate in after another 4 years of Trump, they wouldn't be able to reverse the damage done -- simply due to entropy, and quite possibly due to the fact that our Democratic system would be completely broken after another 4 years. I don't see any evidence whatsoever that there is anyone who can rally the Trump cult base who has affixed themselves to his personality. DeSantis was supposed to be a more finely-groomed copy of Trump and he failed miserably. Republicans hitched their wagon to Trump and with him goes the party for better or worse.

By all means, try to influence Biden to further action. However the calculus is pretty simple:

  • If your goal is to minimize genocide, both in Palestine and Ukraine.
  • If your goal is to ensure that we don't fall further into fascism.
  • If the choices on the ballot in November are a constant, regardless of anything else that happens.
  • If you understand the nature of entropy in that maintaining let alone building-upon a trillion-piece puzzle is exceedingly more taxing than smashing it.
  • If other guy is significantly-worse for Ukrainians, Palestinians, US, and the World.
  • If you understand the mathematical trend of FPTP and the Spoiler Effect.

.... Then one understands the logical choice is voting for Biden and doing anything else from not voting, voting Republican, voting 3rd-party, writing-in -- is utterly self-defeating and short-sighted to the aforementioned goals.

If you don't understand these things, then yes, one might have built their ardent beliefs atop a house of cards.

Of course if Biden gets ahead of the polls, pulls aid too quickly, he risks jeopordizing the votes of nearly 7 million Jewish-American voters who still strongly support Israel. He risks losing independents who 1/3 side with Israel and 1/3 are undecided on whether Israel is going too far. So until you and I can convince THOSE people that what Israel is doing is wrong, then it's natural for Biden's team to be wary of losing those critical votes (who dwarf the Muslim population and dwarf the progressive population).

[–] federatingIsTooHard 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

biden will push us further into fascism just as he has for the past 50 years. voting for him does not, in fact, ensure we don't fall further into fascism.

i can believe the other guy is worse without believing its moral to help biden maintain power.

the spoiler effect is story telling.

[–] nomous 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the spoiler effect is story telling.

What? No, you people just say anything without any actual basis or understanding of it sometimes.

[–] federatingIsTooHard 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yea. you are just telling stories, not doing science.

[–] nomous 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] federatingIsTooHard 2 points 10 months ago

i wrote a pretty in depth treatment of this yesterday, but i don't like to just spam copy pasta everywhere.

you might want to ask your self "what would a critical rationalist say about my postulate?"

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