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[–] [email protected] 165 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

SMS: Here is your 30s "MFA" code, I'll send it to you 40 minutes after you need it.

SMS isn't 2FA. Its 1.5FA.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 7 months ago (1 children)

SMS isn’t even secure. Mitm, social engineering, straight up theft, and more are all ways around it. It should never have been implemented, but especially not when totp exists.

[–] Opisek 50 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What I despise most in when SMS is not just optional but forced upon me as "backup" to TOTP. "Lost your authenticator app? Send an SMS instead." How about no?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I don’t believe I’ve run into that, but yeah it completely misses the point of totp. Hell, I’d prefer a lockout over SMS backup in most cases, my totp authentication has multiple encrypted backups.

[–] lorkano 8 points 7 months ago

Especially because you can just backup authenticator to the pendrive in encrypted form. I don't care I loose my phone, that's exactly the reason authenticator is better.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Dude.

My wife's phone started acting up the other day. It would keep losing cell service and even when it showed a signal, it still would only work on wifi.

That happened a few hours after I ported my phone number (on the same family plan) to another carrier. So naturally, I thought the issue was with the carrier.

Since I planned on porting her number out to my new carrier anyway, I didn't want to troubleshoot.

Well, get to the new carrier and it's still not working. Go through the whole process of resetting network settings, and then eventually deleting the esim.

New carrier, though, needs you to receive a text message before they send the esim.

Naturally, with the esim deleted, it couldn't receive text messages.

Her issue did end up being her phone. Even after the port went through in full, it was still hit-or-miss with cell service. Worked on wifi though.

[–] datelmd5sum 14 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I've heard people in the US still use SMS to communicate with eachother. Fucking crazy.

[–] Crashumbc 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Inertia and ease of use are powerful.

SMS "just works" and works for everyone here.

While I would like the new fancy features. At least RCS is bringing some and is seamlessly integrated.

Bonus I have 10+ years of txt history and can scroll/search to find something. And since my phone is Google (I know evil) I can access it all from the desktop seamlessly in one window.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Sms just works everywhere though

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

Only when iPhone users need to send a message to literally anyone else.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

uhhh that's not some unique american thing lol, that's how people here in sweden communicate too

Barely anyone cares what specific protocol is being used, they just care about what app they have to use and who they can reach, and if anyone isn't using a normal sms app they're generally using facebook messenger or imessages both of which support sms fallback and thus their users don't even know there's a difference half the time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] datelmd5sum -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Can you for example send a video, encrypted and to your computer via SMS? I don't know how much tech they've built over the protocol over in the US, but in many parts of the world SMS was charged per message in your phone bill and things like photos or video cost more to send. People abandoned SMS quickly when 3rd party IP messaging apps like whatsapp came out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I wouldn't count on your encrypted WhatsApp video actually being secure.

Use signal for that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

i think most people have unlimited texting and data in america, the greatest country.

[–] datelmd5sum 3 points 7 months ago

Yeah data got unlimited here before texts, which caused people to move on to other things. Now texts are usually unlimited, but that train has already sailed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Blame apple for that. IPhone has this proprietary messaging app pre-installed which is probably super convinient for the ecosystem but uses some obsolete SMS protocol to communicate with android phones. I think recently this has gotten better, but only because beeper and the EU pressing on them