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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, bullying sucks. The shooter was as much a victim of the situation as any of the others.

[–] PlutoniumAcid 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

"as much a victim" as a dead child? Hard no.

Yes bullying is wrong, yes being bullied is bad, but killing is worse.

[–] Son_of_dad 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He was 12, this was on the adults that failed him

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Amazing how few people seem to get that

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not about to blame a 12 year old for their actions. Life as a bullied kid can really, really suck. Depression and suicide are common effects of bullying, and as a kid you just don't have the knowledge of how to deal with it.

If you bully / mentally abuse somebody to the point that they commit suicide, my opinion is that you are just as culpable as if you had murdered them yourself. By that standard, I don't see much difference if the victim decides to lash out and take their bully with them. Especially if you're a kid with no long term perspective. If you're in that situation as a kid, you're a victim and the system has failed you.

[–] eatthecake 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe if the 12 year old bully had been held responsible for his behaviour then none of this would have happened. But you can blame a 12 year old for their actions, right?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I know you're being sarcastic, but I actually do agree. It was on the adults to make the situation better, not expect kids to be empathetic enough to not bully others

[–] eatthecake -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If kids can't be expected to not bully others then what can the adults do? If a child bears no responsibility for their behaviour then how do you get them to change? I really don't understand.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Educate the bully, punish the bully, remove opportunities for the bullying, whatever your preferred method. The onus is on the adults to prevent or put a stop to the bullying. The fact that things escalated as much as they did means that none of them stepped in, and that failure is on them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Bullying kills more through suicide than shooters killing bullys with guns.

It should never happen, but I don't have much pity when a truly abusive bully gets removed from the gene pool.