this post was submitted on 30 Mar 2024
141 points (92.2% liked)

Atheism

4046 readers
7 users here now

Community Guide


Archive Today will help you look at paywalled content the way search engines see it.


Statement of Purpose

Acceptable

Unacceptable

Depending on severity, you might be warned before adverse action is taken.

Inadvisable


Application of warnings or bans will be subject to moderator discretion. Feel free to appeal. If changes to the guidelines are necessary, they will be adjusted.


If you vocally harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

Likewise, if you are a member, sympathizer or a resemblant of a group that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of any other group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you you will be banned on sight.

Provable means able to provide proof to the moderation, and, if necessary, to the community.

 ~ /c/nostupidquestions

If you want your space listed in this sidebar and it is especially relevant to the atheist or skeptic communities, PM DancingPickle and we'll have a look!


Connect with Atheists

Help and Support Links

Streaming Media

This is mostly YouTube at the moment. Podcasts and similar media - especially on federated platforms - may also feature here.

Orgs, Blogs, Zines

Mainstream

Bibliography

Start here...

...proceed here.

Proselytize Religion

From Reddit

As a community with an interest in providing the best resources to its members, the following wiki links are provided as historical reference until we can establish our own.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] FlyingSquid 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I hate the whole debate anyway. It doesn't matter whether or not there is a "real" Jesus because he wasn't the product of a virgin birth, he didn't perform miracles, he didn't come back from the dead and he most certainly wasn't the son of any god. He wasn't even "king of the Jews" any more than a guy standing on the street corner claiming to be the president is one.

On top of that, since all of the Gospels were written, at earliest, decades later, anything he may have said or done, had he existed, could not possibly have been accurately transcribed or recorded in a time before cameras or audio recording.

So was there a real Jesus? It doesn't matter because that isn't the Jesus that Christians worship. The Jesus that Christians worship definitely did not exist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The only difference between a religion and a cult is time.

If someone comes up with a fanciful story right now about a savior or prophet that said a bunch of stuff 60 years ago and a group of people started following it as a teaching .... we'd call them a cult.

If the cult lasts for generations or hundreds of years we eventually start referring to it all as a religion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

The only difference between a religion and a cult is time.

I wish people would stop saying this. Research into the BITE Model and High Control Organizations have given specific criteria to the sorts of groups people would call "cults". Some of the more fanatical sections of the Catholic Church qualify just as much as a multi level marketing scheme that started 5 years ago.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 7 months ago

Agreed. But I would also say that the person 60 years ago is not the same as the person they worship. It may be based on them, but it isn't them,

The example I always use is the villain Bloefeld in the James Bond novels and films. Ian Fleming based him on the father of his school friend, who had the same name. I don't think anyone would claim that the "real" Bloefeld is the one from the novels and films.

That's my problem with this debate. As I said, it doesn't matter whether or not there was a real person the character of Jesus in the Bible was based upon because the character of Jesus in the Bible is the one that Christians worship and he definitely did not exist.