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[–] jordanlund -4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Police issued standard citations and a business card with the number to call and instructions to call the number to get the $100 ticket waived.

Out of 16,000 tickets, less than 150 people called.

We didn't need to spend millions on treatment centers for < 150 people.

The folks supporting 110 argue more people would have called if we had given them "special" tickets. There's absolutely no evidence for that.

So what did the 16,000 people actually DO?

Needle exchanges, methadone, nalaxone. All the things that let them keep using instead of getting clean.

[–] shikitohno 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Needle exchanges, methadone, nalaxone. All the things that let them keep using instead of getting clean.

2/3 of these are just things that let them not die as a result of use, and methadone is generally used to facilitate getting clean and minimizing withdrawal symptoms, so what exactly are you going on about here? People will use heroin regardless, but if you would prefer more entirely avoidable deaths, sure, get rid of needle exchanges and nalaxone, and enjoy community transmission of HIV and Hepatitis going up along with overdose deaths. That'll really teach 'em, I'm sure.

These aren't programs that facilitate ongoing use amongst addicted populations, they're just stop-gap measures that mitigate the worst outcomes within these groups, which impact everyone. If you think people are just going to stop shooting up because they can't get a clean needle or might OD on something that's been cut, I don't know where you've been for the last 40 years.

[–] jordanlund -1 points 9 months ago

Methadone CAN be used to get clean, is SUPPOSED to be used to get clean... Surprise! It's also abused:

https://www.addictioncenter.com/opiates/methadone/

[–] Burn_The_Right 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

more people would have called if we had given them "special" tickets. There's absolutely no evidence for that.

This statement is disingenuous. The citations aren't "special" just because they are specific. The change in citation involves educating the recipient on the program and what will happen if they do not engage in the program. The "special" citations are clear, written instructions designed specifically to encourage addicted and often unhoused people to participate.

What was done instead was a small number of non-informative business cards (which were often not provided anyway) and regular (uninformative) tickets issued by officers who received zero training on encouraging participation in the program. There were no general orders created for police requiring them to provide instructions to ticket recipients and no training of any kind on implementing the new measure.

Police need to be trained and instructed on how to implement something like this. They can't be expected to guess what's needed or to make it up as they go. They cannot be expected to make an effective verbal sales pitch to an addict, or to even try without training. That is not an appropriate way to implement such a measure.

The few police who did their best to verbally explain it and handed out business cards did so on their own, without training or standard process. This program was simply never fully implemented.

[–] jordanlund -2 points 9 months ago

The instructions were covered with the traditional ticket, verbal instructions, and the business card.