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Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani & Benny Morris | Lex Fridman Podcast #418 [4:57:14 | Mar 14 2024 | Lex Fridman] (youtu.be)

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Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris are historians. Mouin Rabbani is a Middle East analyst. Steven Bonnell (aka Destiny) is a political livestreamer.

https://lexfridman.com/israel-palestine-debate-transcript

OUTLINE:

0:00 - Introduction

4:42 - 1948

1:03:14 - Partition

2:07:47 - October 7

3:01:59 - Gaza

3:28:34 - Peace

4:33:18 - Hope for the future

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[–] aodhsishaj 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Anything with Destiny attached is already broken. He is the turd in the punchbowl... But let's give context to the other speakers.

Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure for speaking out against the treatment of the Palestinian people by the Israeli state. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein#CITEREFAbraham2014

Benny Morris supports Israeli actions during 1948 such as the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinian Arabs, claiming that the only alternative to expelling them was the genocide of the Jewish population in Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris

Mouin Rabbani is a Palestinian journalist reporting on extra judicial killings by the Israeli State and is a Palestinian in diaspora https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouin_Rabbani

Steven Bonnel is a famous Internet troll and rabble rouser https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-politics-online-debate/

Overall, I would suggest just going to those Wikipedia sources and reading the interviews of those involved.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for providing additional information on the debate!

Funny enough wikipedia is mentioned in the debate a couple of times, hahaha

Quick key search for 'wikipedia' through lexfridman transcript:

Norman Finkelstein (02:00:00) You read what Wikipedia said.

Norman Finkelstein (02:41:22) You haven’t a clue because you can’t find it on Wikipedia. You can’t find it on Wikipedia-

Steven Bonnell (02:41:24) But I’m just saying… Believe it or not, Norm, the entire Geneva Convention is all on Wikipedia. It’s a wonderful website. But I’m just saying that on the Hamas side, if there’s an attempt to induce this type of military activity, attempt to induce civilian harm, that it’s not just enough to say, “Well, here’s a diary entry where a guy talks about how tragic these attacks are.”

Norman Finkelstein (02:51:57) Aside from Wikipedia, can you tell me what your knowledge of the IDF is?

Norman Finkelstein (02:52:47) It’s true, I don’t spend my nights on Wikipedia. I read books. I admit that as a-

Norman Finkelstein (03:10:39) Even the American judge, she must have been awful incompetent if she was unable to see the misrepresentations that Mr. Bonnell based on his Wikipedia entry was able to find.

Norman Finkelstein (04:20:58) You don’t know Chapter VI from tweet five. You have no idea what you’re talking about. It’s just so embarrassing. At least have some humility. Between us who have read maybe 10,000 books on the topic and you’ve read two Wikipedia entries and you start talking about Chapter VI. Do you know what Chapter VII is?

Norman Finkelstein (04:24:16) All you have is Wikipedia.

[–] aodhsishaj 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait are you ex leftist current crackpot Jimmy Dore? Please please please talk to Cenk and get off the anti vax copium. Trust me, you'd rather make an honest buck.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty 0 points 10 months ago

Hahaha, Jimmy Dore ain't got time to be on forums, even if he did have time, I don't think he would be in forums...

Vaccines and all that good stuff, COVID19.

Yeah, Jimmy went all in due to vaccine injury when he took the second shot.

Anyway, I don't think we would agree on that subject, hahaha