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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/cooking
 

I really like cheap stamped stainless knives. In the photo are a Viking, a Kiwi, and something unbranded. Total was $8.20 USD. They are garbage, the handles are terrible, though the ridiculously small Deba has wood scales. They sharpen beautifully.

While you huff and curse under your breath, I have owned custom made Japanese knives, vintage carbon steel Sabatier, as well as all the other stuff, Wusthoff, Global, evs. They aren't better, just much more expensive.

I am happiest with a cheap carbon steel cleaver (bit of a misnomer as these are really slicers) or a stamped stainless blade. Not Victorinox though, they have too much Nickel and Chromium so they aren't as prone to rusting. It makes them a bitch to sharpen.

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[–] FuglyDuck 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I had a pair of $40 knives from ikea that lasted years (more than a decade, maybe close to two). They were moly steel so they didn’t loose edge quickly, and had decent balance.

I eventually upgraded to Whustoff ikon classics (the POM handle,) for the 3 knives I use (8” chef, boning, pairing.)

The reality is you can sharpen a shitty Walmart butter knife to a razor’s edge very easily. Being sharp doesn’t make a good knife- it’s the steel quality that affects edge retention; as well as the balance and the grip’s contour/shape; the stiffness and thickness of the blade, etc.

Imo, the cheapo ikea knives performed just fine. For their value… they’re quite probably better than whustoffs, no question. They’re both made with reasonable quality steel, both full tang, with similar contours in the blade profile and handle, etc.

But if you consider side by side, the whustoffs do perform much better. It’s not any one thing- the balance is better, the blades are thinner, stiffer where they they’re supposed to be, etc.

There are a lot of small things that add up to that. The distal taper, the taper from spine to edge (in the ikeas they’re flat in both directions,); the steel is better and holds edges longer while being more easily, less strain on my hand;

Ultimately, you don’t need whustoffs or anything expensive- and a lot of your expensive knives are shit knives with marketing (especially “japanese” knives of dubious provenance).

But if you can afford them, they are better. Especially if you cook a lot. If they’re “better enough” to justify their cost is a personal decision. My mom uses Costco steak knives for everything. (And in part because they can’t keep knives sharp so don’t see the point. They float around the sink… get stuffed in the dishwasher, etc,)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My favorite knives are vintage MAC. The handles suck, the tip is rounded, and they have a stupid hanging 'cross' thing at the tip which just catches debris. Use a magnetic knife rack like a normal person. They were $90 new. If blood clots on the brain were your thing I'm sure that was a good deal. It's a $20 knife.

I had a few from the flea market. I ground tips on them and made new handles. They have a great balance between whippy and thin enough to do nice slices of Shitake mushrooms or Shallots, and strong enough to break down Squash.

[–] FuglyDuck 1 points 9 months ago

That’s an example of an overpriced Japanese knife, yes.

That doesn’t mean all knives more than $20 bucks are overpriced, however. I would also contend that the modifications you made; make it no longer a MAC.