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Chinese police will patrol in Hungary alongside Hungarian officers after an agreement with Budapest, raising fears of Beijing oppression being meted out in Europe (www.telegraph.co.uk)

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Hungary’s interior ministry claimed the deal would improve safety in tourist hotspots or during events that attract large numbers of spectators.

But the plan has drawn criticism from those concerned the agreement will be abused by communist China, which has a lengthy record of human rights abuses.

The patrols could be the first step to establishing secret police stations or used to intimidate the overseas Chinese community, they warned.

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[+] Eldritch -10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This lost their sovereignty argument is kind of bullshit though. You recognize that. Don't you? How did Iraq lose its sovereignty? The United States invaded and killed their leadership. How did Afghanistan lose its sovereignty. That's all whole story. Russia invaded then America invaded then America invaded again. If being invaded by someone is enough to qualify as a loss of sovereignty and justification for occupation, that's a very slippery slope.

With this same defense. It would be possible for China to claim that a number of countries lost their sovereignty as well and therefore must be occupied and policed by them. I think there is a bigger defense for it in terms of countries like Japan. Absolutely. Post world war II. The occupation was always a given. But the United States has not always had that same justification. And justifying our actions in that way is dangerous because it could be just as easily applied to another bad actor like China.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That is not my point. My point is that if an external country is granted police access, it means that the country has essentially lost its sovereignty. With Hungary it is especially aggravating, not because it’s their right to do whatever they want with granting police powers (they can do whatever they want), the issue is that they aren’t a country completely anymore, just like every other EU country. The issue is that because of Schengen, those Chinese police can very easily sneak into other EU countries

[–] Eldritch -5 points 8 months ago

It was literally one of your points. And a direct, bad response to what I wrote. Which is why it's what I responded to.

However, if you go up to my first post. You will find you are arguing with someone who agrees with you on the Hungary front. I basically called for the people there to be on guard against their government and China. That as much as many here want to blame China for this, The leadership of Hungary invited them in. So the responsibility is on them.