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@tet its great because you can listen to people whine about it now instead of systemd
The two whines are not mutually exclusive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@kingmongoose7877 until someone tells me another way to run 2 python apps one which requires python 2 and one which requires python 3, on the same system, which is EASIER than installing a flatpak, im gonna maintain that they have a use case, even if they aren't idealized package management as we dreamed of
Easy, tiger. I think you misinterpreted my original reply.
I meant the whining about the two (systemd and flatpak) isn't strictly OR but may be AND. Have a nice day.
I think pyenv would be the appropriate tool for doing a native install. And of course when it comes to CLI, Flatpak isn't really for that.
@pingveno i think that two things get conflated. 1. flatpaks and appimages, snaps, have some niche uses for obsolete software and maybe some other edge cases 2. because the two major standards are backed by dumbass corporate entities, they have been promoted as the universal solution to everything that will revolutionize linux 3. the real thing everyone hates, is these stupid companies trying to get rid of a beautiful package management architechture so they can enshittify linux like windows
I think their uses extend beyond obsolete software. In particular, trying to get updates out to a wide variety of Linux distros has generally meant a tradeoff between "move fast, break things" and "move slow, never change". Flatpak gives you a stable set of libraries to work with and the ability to run multiple versions of those libraries at once. Linux package managers have a place, but their sheer proliferation means that for most applications to reach all desktop Linux users, they have to go through something like Flatpak for distribution.
Uh. Python is like the worst example for this, conda/mamba?
Cheese with your whines?
You should use WINE only through Flatpak btw
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Speaking of which, didja hear that for the upcoming Easter holiday, Amazon is offering a special gift basket of northern Israeli cheeses.
They're calling it Cheeses of Nazareth.
You have received the Dad Joke Gold Star
Are you trying to start a war? Hopefully no one mentions wayland vs xorg else it might go nuclear
@squid_slime let me install this flatpak of kde wayland on my oracle unbreakable kernel running under redhat enterprise
That's like two keystrokes in emacs.
@AbidanYre i only use Oracle Emacs which is just Emacs with a picture of Larry Ellison in the background flying a MiG