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This is a human problem, not an AI problem.
Maybe if we hadn't neglected it for the past century.....
It’s both.
Ai is definitely making things worse. When I was at school there was no tool for creating a deep fake of girls, now boys sneek a pic and use an app to undress them. That then gets shared, girls find out and obviously become distressed. Without ai boys would have to either sneak into toilets/changing rooms or psychically remove girls clothes. Neither of which was happening at such a large degree in a school before as it would create a shit show.
Also most jurisdictions don't actually have strict AI laws yet which is making it harder for authorities to deal with. If you genuinely believe that AI isn't at fault here then you're ignorant of what's happening around the world.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/29/clothoff-deepfake-ai-pornography-app-names-linked-revealed That's an article about one company that provides an app for deep fakes. It's a shell corp so not easy to shut down through the law and arrest people, also hundreds of teenage girls have been affected by others creating non consensual nudes of them.
When I was a kid I used to draw dirty pictures and beat off to them. AI image creation is a paint brush.
I very much disagree with using it to make convincing deepfakes of real people, but I struggle with laws restricting its use otherwise. Are images of ALL crimes illegal, or just the ones people dislike? Murder? I’d call that the worst crime, but we sure do love murder images.
I'm sorry but this is bullshit. You could "photoshop" someone's face / head onto someone else's body already before "AI" was a thing. Here's a tutorial that allows you to do this within minutes, seconds if you know what you're doing: https://www.photopea.com/tuts/swap-faces-online/
Also very ignorant take. You can download Stable Diffusion for free and add a face swapper to that too. Generating decent looking bodies actually might take you longer than just taking a nude photo of someone and using my previous editing method though.
You could do everything before, that's true, but you needed knowledge/time/effort, so the phenomenon was very limited. Now that it's easy, the number of victims (if we can call them that) is huge. And that changes things. It's always been wrong. Now it's also a problem
This is right. To do it before you had to be a bit smart and motivated. That's a smaller cross section of people. Now any nasty fuck with an app on their phone can bully and harass their classmates.
I'm not sure you listened to what I said or even attempted it yourself. The time / effort here is very similar, both methods have their own quirks that make them better or worse than the other, both methods however are very fast and very easy to do. In both cases the result should just be ignored as far as personal feelings go, and reported as far as legal matters go, or report things to your teachers. You don't need special laws to file for harassment or even possible blackmail. This whole thing is just overblown fake hysteria and media panic because "AI" is such a hot topic at the moment. In a few years this will all go away again because no one really cares that much and real leaked nudes will possibly even declared a deepfake to confuse people.
You're lying to yourself and you must know that, or you're just making false assumptions. But let's go through this step by step.
Now with a "nudify" app:
Before:
That's my fist point. Second:
Tell it to the girl who killed herself because everyone thought that her leaked "nudes" were actual nudes. People do not work how you think they do.
True, you probably don't need new laws. But the emergence of generative AI warrants a public discussion about its consequences. There IS a lot of hype around AI, but generative AI is here and is having/will have a tangible impact. You can be an AI skeptic but also recognise that some things are actually happening.
For this to happen, things will have to get WAY worse before they get better. And that means people will suffer and possibly kill themselves, like it's already happened. Are we ready to let that happen?
Also we're talking only about fake nudes, but if you think about the fact that GenAI is going to spread throughout every aspect of our world, your point becomes even more absurd
I literally gave you a tutorial to a free web app and you come here with a massive bad faith text wall that starts with "you must buy / pirate literal photoshop to do image editing". Sorry but the difficulty that you are seeing here is not the method but the thing in front of your monitor.
Speaking of lying to oneself... Where's your several attempt of nudifying just to figure out that you actually need a good photo too, with good lighting, clothes having a good contrast with the background, a pose that is probably frontal and without arms obstructing, and then pray the model can manage to draw a half decently realistic looking body over it without any artifacts or mutations. Generative models like these aren't magic and have many faults and you clearly show that you have absolutely no clue about that topic if you think you can just snap a picture and press a button.
As tragic as that is, a photoshopped picture would've resulted in the same outcome and you can probably even find such cases if you dig through old news articles too.
No, it only shows that we've slept on law enforcement related to digital topics for decades, thanks to all the boomers in politics who have even less of a clue about that topic than people like you, and all those who ridiculed everyone using computers before they eventually reached mainstream audiences. The problem here is also that fear mongering and dishonest "discussions" like this only lead to draconian overbearing laws that will end up really hurting the wrong end of it, while not doing much if anything for the actual issue behind it, which isn't generative "AI" or manual photo editing. It's akin to using the topics of terrorism or child pornography to ban things like encryption or implement web filters, or other highly invasive mass surveillance methods such as data logging or things like facial recognition.
I mean, I'm not, as I wasn't even before harassment of this type was a thing just without the "AI" aspects of it. But you all were ready to let it happen, again, until the "AI" aspects of it started to cause the media hysteria. If you dig through articles of cases like this or of similar nature, like cyber-bullying was a popular umbrella term before, then you find that people simply did not take this kinda stuff seriously, causing those acts to go by unpunished. And that was, and still is, the main issue of it. Many, if not most countries don't even give you as a person the rights to an image of yourself. How can you then expect that someone editing photos of someone and publishing that without the photographed person's consent being legally liable? After all, what crime would they have committed if the exposed person on the picture isn't even real except for maybe the head, which was publicly visible at the time of the photo too?
Here's the thing: This is going to happen either way. That's why we need to understand that we rather have to find ways to live with it. You could ban generative models, but that would mostly just stop the legal usage, while others would just continue to use it illegally. Maybe your average inept zoomer kid would have trouble finding an app for his smartphone to do it, but it would still happen.
Photoshop has existed for quite some time. Take photo, google naked body, paste face on body. The ai powered bit just makes it slightly easier. I don't want a future where my device is locked down and surveiled to the point I can't install what I want on it. Neither should the common man be excluded from taking advantage of these tools. This is a people problem. Maybe culture needs to change. Limit phone use in schools. Technical solutions will likely only bring worse problems. There are probably no lazy solutions here. This is not one of those problems you can just hand over to some company and tell them to figure it out.
Though I could get behind making it illegal to upload and store someone's likeness unless explicit consent was given. That is long overdue. Though some big companies would not get behind that. So it would be a hard sell. In fact, I would like all personal data be illegal to store, trade and sell.
Slightly easier? That's a one hell of an understatement. Have you ever used Stable Diffusion?
But many big companies would love it. Basically, it turns a likeness into intellectual property. Someone who pirates a movie, would also be pirating likenesses. The copyright industry would love it; the internet industry not so much,
Licensing their likeness - giving consent after receiving money, if you prefer - would also be a new income stream for celebrities. They could license their likeness for any movie or show and get a pretty penny without having to even show up. They would just be deep-faked onto some skilled, low-paid double.
AI is a genie that can’t be put back into its bottle.
Now that it exists you can make it go away with laws. If you tried, at best all you’d do is push it to sketchy servers hosted outside of the jurisdiction of whatever laws you passed.
AI is making it easier than it was before to (ab)use someone by creating a nude (or worse) with their face. That is a genuine problem, it existed before AI, and it’s getting worse.
I’m not saying you have like it, but if you think laws will make that unavailable you’re dreaming.