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[PCGamer] Helldivers 2 is the least I've felt pressured to spend money on a game in years, so of course I'm buying everything in the store (www.pcgamer.com)
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[–] TSG_Asmodeus 101 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I still can't look past the rootkit anticheat for a goddamn co-op game.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is it really that bad?

[–] TSG_Asmodeus 44 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes.

nProtect GameGuard (sometimes called GG) is an anti-cheating rootkit developed by INCA Internet.

[–] okamiueru 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I wonder if shit like that will eventually lead to more people using wine in windows, in order to sandbox rootkits. Helldivers 2 works fine with proton on Linux, at least.

The absurdity of having a reason to run wine on windows through WSL is amusing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

God, it's so convoluted I'll become a monk first.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

If Linux gaming continues to increase in popularity, I imagine the anti-cheat will start to crawl its way out of the WINE environment and into the native system. But I actually have no clue about how these AC work or is handled by WINE.

[–] Goronmon 2 points 9 months ago

Most likely result of this setup becoming popular is the anti-cheat working harder to detect being sandboxed in this manner.

Since it's the same thing a cheater would do to defeat the anti-cheat.

[–] Cybersteel 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe people will transition slowly over to linux

[–] Goronmon 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I still can’t look past the rootkit anticheat for a goddamn co-op game.

This is probably pissing into the wind, but that isn't what "rootkit" means in this context.

[–] c0mbatbag3l -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately you can't get through to these people. They refuse to accept that rootkit as a security concept isn't just an admin level process that can be hijacked, but a specifically malicious bundle of programs that embeds itself in your firmware and runs in secret.

The anticheat isn't running secretly, as the game informs you of its use and requirement. It also doesn't access your MoBo firmware or UEFI, merely the kernel of the OS.

No one with even the bare minimum Sec+ cert would call it a rootkit, and only those with no actual knowledge take that claim seriously.

[–] TSG_Asmodeus 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No one with even the bare minimum Sec+ cert would call it a rootkit

That's what it's page on wikipedia says.

nProtect GameGuard (sometimes called GG) is an anti-cheating rootkit developed by INCA Internet.

[–] c0mbatbag3l -3 points 9 months ago

Oh damn wikipedia, that's never been edited by someone with an agenda before. Go look up the dictionary/CompTIA definition of a rootkit, not what some FOSS bro edited the wiki page to be.