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that is incorrect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel
Don't give me that bullshit. If a kitchen sink that sees water every day doesn't rust, neither should a $100K+ truck.
Your kitchen sink isn't exposed to the elements like a vehicle is. You ever seen stainless industrial sinks? They don't always look so great after 10-20 years of abuse.
If these trucks are exposed to salt on the roads during winter weather they probably won't fair well. Even stainless steel is prone to corrosion and ought to be painted or plated.
You're comparing 10 years of rough abuse with metal being thrown into them constantly as well as all the acids and salts used in cooking against a year of just existing outside.
Edit: it's not even a year outside...it was 2 days.
Do the ions from the salts form acids that react with the metal?
If I understand correctly (and I hope I do with a degree in chemistry), it's moreso the long periods of exposure to wet environments. If those environments also include frequent exposure to salt it expediates the transfer of electrons to the outer surface of the stainless steel and causes oxidation.
Oxidation/rust/petina isn't a bad thing. A thin outer layer of rust is sometimes used as an aesthetic preservative in architecture though. There are buildings that have heavy surface rust on them intentionally.
Probably not what you'd expect or desire on a vehicle, but very much possible. I wonder how the DeLorean DMC-12 held up in nasty conditions?
known as rustless steel
If they had picked the correct grade of stainless steel, it wouldn't rust just by being outside. Cheaper grades rust, higher grades don't.
Fun fact: the soviets simply used thicker steel. That's partly why there's so many of those shitboxes still riding around the ex-soviet block. Based on the Fiat 124, which often rusted and died in the Italian sunshine, the Soviet variant often rusted but survived in Siberia.
Put something rusty in contact with that sink for a little while and get back to us.
I have. I scrubbed the rust off with steel wool. As long as you don't leave rusted iron against stainless steel for years, it's fine. And that's not what's happening here.
So… you’ve experienced stainless rusting first hand and yet claim it doesn’t rust…?
Stainless rusts, fucking hell lmfao.
It doesn’t matter that it’s not what’s happening, it rusts. It’s that simple, any imperfection from salt or iron oxide (from rocks in asphalt) is a place for rust to start.
The stainless steel didn't rust. The cast iron pan was accidentally left on the corner of the sink for a weekend with a little water under it. The rust wiped off very easily, because it was transfered from the iron into it, which is all that's happening as long as it's not left there for a significant amount of time.
The truck was driven in rain, with no snow or salt involved, and began rusting after 2 days. That's a low grade of stainless steel to rust that fast.
But you said stainless doesn’t rust and have now given two examples of it doing it… strange! Isn’t it?z
You said you had to use steel wool, and now it just wiped up? Wow that’s quite the difference. If it didn’t rust, why the steel wool to remove the rust…?
Full of fucking shit dude lmfao.
I've given no examples of how stainless steel can rust. You gave the example to start with that had something else rusting and touching stainless steel. High grade stainless steel will not rust after 2 days.
Stop trying to twist things to make your argument look better. It isn't working...
Stainless steel rusts quite easily when touched by other rusted metals….
You even provided an example, in a sink with a cast iron, that required removal with steel wool.
Im not twisting things lmfao, I’m using your own real world examples to show how stainless can and does rust. You have multiple people trying to explain this to you, and you’ve provided examples of it. Yet you still want to stick to your guns eh? Is this what flat earthers are like?
It didn't require steel wool, it just made the job faster. A green scrubby has done the same job. The stainless steel sink didn't rust just because it was touched by something rusty for 2 days. And it definitely doesn't rust just by holding water for 2 days.
You're now just twisting this into irrelevant bullshit. Have a nice day.
This truly is like talking to a flat earther lmfao.
Stainless rusts, you’ve experienced it, and are continuing to deny it, this is hilarious.
Bash Tesla for their shitty truck all you want, but don’t argue with science and reality lmfao.
This stainless could have been contaminated by tools used on ferrous steel (contains oxide) that will cause most grades of stainless to rust immediately. This is reality, not whatever shit you’re imagining in your head. Verify it if you want, but you’ve already argued with other users providing sources… so…. Yeah.