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Hawaii rules against public carrying of guns without permit citing ‘aloha spirit’
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 10 Feb 2024
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So the difference there is that someone called the cops to the grocery store, as opposed to a rando taking their gun to buy milk.
Do you really not see the difference between a job where people pay you to carry a gun, and some random person deciding that they want to carry a gun just in case?
One has the job of "person we decided responds to violent situations, while they're are work doing what we asked them to do", and the other is "I have no idea who this person is, they're wearing a dirty T-shirt, holding a cartoon of milk and wearing a pistol at the checkout line of this 7-11”.
With a cop, you have a known quantity and you know why they have the gun. With rando, you just know they have a gun, with no clue why.
Finally, you're totally correct. That's why a lot of people don't exactly like being around armed police either.
Is it so hard to imagine that some people are made to feel less safe being around people with guns, and would like to avoid it where possible?
Well typically murderers don't order victims by phone, no, unless we're counting delivery drivers maybe, but that just means civilians "need to have it when they need it" more than the people who get advanced notice.
Do you really think victims of violent crime don't need or deserve to protect themselves, simply because their job isn't responding to others being victimized? Why do you think cops, which have less training hours than cosmetologists, are superheros somehow better than other civilians?
Btw I'll give you a tip, usually the guy with a gun you have to worry about isn't "some dirty prole open carrying," it's someone concealing it illegally and you'll never know until it becomes a problem. Most legal carriers also carry concealed, so that dirty prole behind you in line "without a gun?" You can never be sure, he may in fact have one just under a thin layer of cotton/polyester blend.
Tbh, yes. If you live in America and don't just "work, home, sleep" (if you go anywhere in public, a mall, the movies, church, anywhere) you likely pass a person with a gun at least one time a day and never even know. Being scared of everyone with a gun is honestly more irrational than just being scared of everyone because they could have a gun. I for one choose not to live my life in fear, if I see a person open carrying I just say "ayy cool is that the p365? How do you like that thing? I had to replace my p320 and got a p10c instead but I've been thinking about picking one of those up" and now I have a new, albeit "dirty shirted," friend.
You seem to be taking this really personally.
You've started interjecting a lot of defensive talk about being a "prole", and thinking that people who don't feel safer in the presence of guns must live their lives in constant fear, or want to take guns away from people.
Re read what I said. I never said people shouldn't be able to own guns, or carry them. I said people should be able to say "you need my permission to bring a gun into my home or business".
I'll be honest with you, I feel like I probably live my life in less fear than the person who needs to carry a gun everywhere to feel safe.
I just think it's cute you imply people with dirty shirts are dangerous or not to be trusted and I'm making fun of that, if you didn't catch it.
I agree with people's right to choose on their own property, however I also find it laughable you're scared of dirty people with guns but not people in blue shirts with guns nor dirty people with "maybe guns" you're unaware of. These positions are not conflicting in any way, and you're silly.
So you have no real argument, so just focusing on as hominim attacks and on blowing up one single thing they said once. Got it.
If by that you mean "you're just making fun of a dumb thing I said."
Yeah, basically.
Also I think it's silly to be scared of people for a dumb reason but not be scared of others who could possibly have that same reason hidden under their shirt, but yes, you're entitled to be naive if you so choose.
No, I mean what I said. You're hyper focused on one thing the other person said while ig ignoring everything else because you can't rebut any of their other points. And don't appear mature enough to cede points.
Tbh I'm not even sure what his other points are, other than him being scared of dirty people with guns but not cops.
Yes it is I! Lord of all edges! Anytime you edge, think of me!
Wow, you're offended that I made up a person in a dirty T-shirt as an example?
For the record, I don't actually think a dirty T-shirt is a value judgement. It's sort of a "been doing house work" type thing.
If you're that fixated on one detail of an example and are just going to ignore everything else that was said, you're remarkably thin skinned.
Offended? No u, I simply think your "example" of "scary man" reflects more about you than the hypothetical "him."
Uh-huh, then why do those dirty men scare you, hmm?
Weird you took my example to be of a "scary person" when I was just illustrating the difference between a known quantity and an unknown quantity. Try actually reading as opposed to projecting your weird fantasy where anyone who doesn't like guns must be aquiver in fear at their very presence.
Do you think I'm afraid of people buying milk too?
You've clearly got a chip on your shoulder.
Cops to you are a "known quantity?" They commit more crime than ccw holders lol.
Yes you're clearly afraid of the lactose tolerant.