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A woman in Florida says her 55-year-old “medically fragile” father was falsely accused of theft at a Florida grocery store last week and then seriously injured in a violent encounter with police. Now, she says, he is hospitalized and has lost the ability to speak.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you walk up to someone with a bat in your hand and tell them to pick on someone your own size, you are threatening them with the bat.

If not to be a threat there is no purpose to bring the bat

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

From her account the Karen in the store had already laid hands on her father at this point and was then continuing to follow and harass him. Sounds like self defense to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How do you know she walked right up to Karen? How do you know she didn't just go and stand by her father while leaning on the bat?

And why didn't the woman just ask to see the receipt instead of going all Karen?

You assume too much.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Based just on the facts, she picked up a bat and then issued a threatening statement. Whether you are 2 feet away or 50, that is still threatening someone with a weapon.

Why are you arguing against this?

I assumed nothing.

I used only the things that the lady herself stated.

If you disagree please point me to the information that you think proves your point.

I will look at it and reevaluate, I might not change my mind but I will at least listen to your opinion.

Please, feel free.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Based on what media is reporting, which is rarely ALL the facts.

And you do assume you know how far away she was standing, what her tone of voice was, etc. If you weren't there = you don't know for sure.

You also didn't respond to my question why Karen just didn't ask to see the receipt ... like a non-racist likely would.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because I am not trying to defend her actions.

I agree that that is what should have happened.

Can you give me an example of how holding a metal bat in your hand and telling that to someone in this situation would not be a threat?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Look, my personal mantra is "pick on someone your own size", which I chant every morning when I'm roaming the streets with my walking bat.

Only a bigot would find that threatening.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ok, I can’t help but give an exception for that.

You are making sure to bang it creepily while talking in a sing-song voice right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Eh, it's more of an summoning Moloch vibe.

But whenever someone makes eye contact, I make sure to never blink.

[–] ripcord 2 points 7 months ago

You have to mix it up and drag it slowly on the pavement behind you for a while, too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Based on what she has said. Her description of her own actions with the bat constitute a threat. Unless you're arguing she was misquoted, she issued a threat with a deadly weapon.