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[–] Cryophilia 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I think the drive to have children is so illogical one might call it a mental illness. Why do you need a kid? "I dunno, it just made me feel better". Why didn't you adopt? "I dunno, just wanted my own".

[–] Anamnesis 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I think people don't realize just how expensive and difficult adoption is. My ex wife and I looked into it when we were having fertility trouble. Turns out, five rounds of IVF would have been cheaper than adoption. People got used to the idea that adoption is cheap in the 80s and 90s when China, Korea, and a lot of the Eastern European states had an excess of unwanted babies. That is no longer the case and babies are very hard to come by.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So if babies are hard to come by, are the older orphans hard to come by as well? Or is it just that baby adoption is the preference?

[–] Anamnesis 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that's what makes it so expensive. If you're willing to adopt an older kid it's still pricey but not the same.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Not sure I understand. So expensive because babies are more preferred? Or are babies not that much preferred and there's not actually that many kids in foster care/orphaned?

[–] Cryophilia 3 points 10 months ago

Still 65,000 kids waiting to be adopted in the US alone. On average.

[–] SeducingCamel@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Like, how expensive? Isn't delivering a baby in a hospital like 10k? Is it really more difficult and expensive than 9 months of pregnancy?

[–] Anamnesis 9 points 10 months ago

Most aren't babies, though, and lots have been through a lot. Having a baby is already a huge commitment; you can't fault people for not wanting to take on a kid with a history of trauma or a significant disability. That's a tall order and the people who do it are saints.

[–] Anamnesis 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you have insurance, it's often not that expensive to actually have a baby. IVF is expensive though, and only sometimes covered by insurance. We were looking at $25k for one round of IVF and $5k for each subsequent round, if those were necessary. Adoption was around $50k from what I remember.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

Some states require IVF coverage by medical insurance. With those prices, it may actually be cheaper in certain circumstances to move.

[–] TwoCubed@feddit.de 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's the most basic survival instinct maybe? Jesus what a dumb fucking comment, holy shit.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I am always flabbergasted by people trying to argue that having kids is illogical, selfish, unnatural, etc. Like, the fuck you think we've been doing as a species for millions of years? What ya think every other living being on earth is doing?

People trying to reinvent the wheel and making something mundane unnecessarily complicated just annoy the shit out of me. No one is forcing anyone to have kids (at least in societies that don't ban abortions). You don't want them or don't feel equipped to have them - no one cares. But yeah let's make your own insecurities and traumas and whatever personal reasons you have into an ideology that promotes that creating new life is bad per se.

Having kids is neither good nor bad. It is not selfish or altruistic. It just is. There is no need in overly moralizing it.

[–] Cryophilia 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just because something is natural doesn't make it rational.

[–] TwoCubed@feddit.de -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The preservation of our own species is irrational, got it. Fuck off, edge lord. Please don't ever get kids.

[–] Cryophilia 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What a weird insult rofl

It's like telling someone who doesn't like drinking, "I hope you never have another beer!"

[–] TwoCubed@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm guessing you're in your early twenties and once you grow out of your edge lord phase, you might get the idea to procreate regardless of your bullshit opinions you have now. Unless you start over with school and take it seriously, you shouldn't pass on your verbal diarrhea to children.

[–] Cryophilia 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

you might get the idea to procreate regardless of your bullshit opinions you have now.

Lol the arrogance. You just can't fathom that other people think differently. You just assume anyone who doesn't have the same weird subconscious drives as you is somehow defective. And when confronted with the illogical nature of what you believe, you get angry and defensive.

[–] TwoCubed@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nah, I read your drivel and concluded that you're either incredibly dumb or simply naive. I'm hoping for the latter.

[–] Cryophilia -1 points 10 months ago

Drivel like, "hey can you explain why having kids makes you happy"?

[–] Zink@programming.dev 5 points 10 months ago

Here’s the way I see it: we are social creatures, and our relationships define a lot about us and our lives. A parent’s relationship with a child is a very significant one, which can be very rewarding in the right circumstances. We all know the cliche about “if we have a baby it will fix this relationship” and similar.

The drive to reproduce seems like an evolutionary necessity. We wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for that. But that’s an instinct really, and not a rational thought-out thing.

Adoption is extremely important, but it is also the hard mode of becoming a parent. The only reason I even have a biological child is because my wife and I tried one more doctor after being a year or two into the crushing roller coaster of the adoption process, and even having a double adoption fall through.