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[–] JustZ -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (27 children)

No you are incorrect. The Nazis didn't warn anyone before doing actual carpet bombing of civilians.

Israel warns people before it bombs. Look it up.

[–] Kentifer 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

And then they bombed the safe areas. Look it up. You're wrong about this. The ICJ has agreed to continue the case. They are clearly convinced that there is a plausibility that Israel has committed genocide. Do you think you're smarter than the 17 judges sitting on the ICJ for this case?

[–] JustZ -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (25 children)

I will read it and see where my prediction of how the case would be disposed of on the pleadings was flawed.

In light of the high casualties, a preliminary injunction probably makes sense. I bet Israel is already in compliance with it. I'll comment again after I read it this weekend.

[–] Kentifer 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"I'll bet Israel is already in compliance with it." They aren't. Which is why the court needed to issue preliminary orders at all.

[–] JustZ 0 points 1 year ago

The order, aside from jurisdiction and standing, makes two significant findings: that the humanitarian condition may likely deteriorate before there is a finding on the merits, leading to irreparable harm of the rights South Africa seeks to vitiate; and the second is that some of the allegations of proven could plausibly meet the definition of genocide or related crimes. That's Paragraphs 54 and 72. That's good enough for a preliminary injunctive order in any court.

Obviously you disagree but I think Israel is already in compliance with the order. Humanitarian corridors are open. Food is rolling in. Medicine rolling in. Bombings have slowed down. Civilian casualties have dropped off. Whether Israel is in compliance is not a factor in ordering the provisional measures. It only adopted a few of the numerous measures South Africa sought.

One major fact noted is that Israel is investigating and prosecuting its own citizens who have called for "extermination of Palestinians" and the like, for the crime of incitement. The Court commends Israel for doing so.

On the other hand, in Paragraph 82 they call on Hamas to release all hostages unconditionally. Obviously, Hamas will not comply.

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