this post was submitted on 14 Jan 2024
50 points (84.7% liked)
Fediverse
17852 readers
15 users here now
A community dedicated to fediverse news and discussion.
Fediverse is a portmanteau of "federation" and "universe".
Getting started on Fediverse;
- What is the fediverse?
- Fediverse Platforms
- How to run your own community
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Yeah, good luck with that. Controlled given instances might be achievable, but the protocol will eventually route around the damage.
I think that is engineer’s disease thinking.
Running instances costs money & labor, and I predict that many instance admins will be happy to accept various forms of assistance, and the CIA/FBI/etc-backed organizations will be happy to help. The assistance might be just money, which comes with strings attached such as simply having the ear of the admins. The assistance might be “moderation tools,” to save labor efforts.
I think the instances that choose to federate with corporate social media (which are already captured by feds) will probably be the easiest to gain control of. If you’ve been following the corpo federation discourse, you might have noticed that the instances with the largest user bases tend to be the most interested in federating with the corpo social media.
Do they also control email? As in all email servers that are "federated" with one another? Conspiracy thinking is dangerous. Maybe I work for "the feds"? Maybe you do and you've already been subverted against your own conscious wishes and this is a honeypot you're posting?
At some point you have to trust something or someone or you end up in the trust-equivalent of solipsism.
I recommend this old paper from the early days of compsci -- Ken Thompson: https://fermatslibrary.com/s/reflections-on-trusting-trust
Take this and abstract. Eventually you'll either need to be a wholly offline hermit, or accept that there is risk of subversion at every level and that risk must be tolerated in order to use the tech.
Your rebuttal to engineer’s disease is to quote Ken Thompson
From Michael Parenti’s Dirty Truths:
As for email, you say that as if Edward Snowden revealed nothing, or that the US doesn’t have a history of injecting backdoors into encryption standards.
so you agree the only instances that can be compromised are ones that choooose to do so.
i think most of what you wrote here is wrong, and i have about as much to back it up as you do.
The ones that don’t choose to may eventually find themselves defederated from the ones that do. We’ll get walled off from the large instances that “play ball”.
uh huh. k. cool story. let me know if you ever get anything to actually back up that claim.
let me rephrase.. your conjecture is unfounded, and hyperbolic.
RemindMe! 4 years "federation is going great"
see; proof you have nothing but hopes and dreams. just like me!
ha '''you just wait, in 4 years i may be right!' hilarious
rude ._.