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Sanders warns Biden: address working-class fears or risk losing to demogogue
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To be fair, attention span is short. Anything the administration does too early before the election will be completely forgotten by November.
True!
Can't pass up an opportunity to blame progressives and leftists can you? It's not that Joe Biden is a procorporate piece of shit. No no, it's those young 40 year old kids with their tiktoks that are the problem.
Get real Boomer. Biden was a terrible candidate and anyone who voted for him in the 2020 primaries is a selfish piece of shit.
Didn't single out anyone. Attention spans are low across the spectrum.
I didn't vote for him in the 2020 primary. I'm all for election reform to move away from FPTP and the lesser-evil voting strategy it necessitates. But as it stands, voting is FPTP in this election, so I'm definitely going to vote for the proto-corporatist over the fascist, and I'm going to encourage actions that make the fascist staying out of power more likely.
Single out the selfish piece of shit boomers who voted for Joe Biden in the primaries.
Whatever you say bud. You can complain, or play the hand you're dealt. Can't do much about it not. If you disagree with what happened, get out ahead of primaries next time and promote the candidates you like. If more people vote for another candidate, that's just democracy.
Buddy, if you didn't vote for Biden in the primaries who did you vote for? And why aren't you willing to acknowledge there was no good reason to vote for Biden in the primaries?
I voted for Bernie, but alas he did not win the primary. More people voted for Biden, so he did. That's the hand we are dealt.
I'm only saying there's no benefit to complaining about it now. Biden is shitty, but Trump is shittier. So it goes.
So are you willing to call out the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries for the selfish pieces of shit they are?
I don't make sweeping moralistic statements like that. It's neither productive nor particularly tactful. I'm sure many of them thought they were making the sensible decision for the generally, even though I disagree with that decision.
What do you hope to gain, other than stroking your own moralism?
Give me one good sensible argument justifying voting for Biden over everybody else in the primaries.
Hopefully making you and everybody else who voted for that procorporate piece of shit in the primaries understand in no uncertain terms: If you elect procorporate trash in the DNC primaries they will lose in the general. Period.
I can't speak for everyone. I won't pretend I am the absolute arbiter of political justification, that's sociopathic.
And he did win in the general, so I don't get your point. The Democratic Party is protocorporate party, Leftists are a minority.
Because a bunch of us held our noses and gave him a chance because people said we can "push him to the left". Now that it's clear that was a lie we won't be showing up again.
Then ignore us. Win the 2024 general election all on your own.
Buddy, I'm a leftist too. You'd have to be a literal idiot to think Trump will be better for anyone left of fascists, especially Leftists. Campaign for ranked choice voting, be vocal the rest of the time. If Trump wins, that could be the end of American democracy, as flawed as it presently is .
Procorporate Democrats like Biden will never allow that to happen.
A leftist who thinks electing procorporate trash will ever result in ranked choice voting and won't call out primary voters who vote against progressive and leftist efforts for being pieces of shit? Are you also the kind of leftist who celebrated when Biden blocked the rail strike? You can label yourself whatever you want but your actions are never going to result in anything moving left.
I dunno what to tell you dude. You think neo-fascist Republicans are going to allow ranked choice to happen? They're going to try to stop all voting.
You can label yourself anything you want, but Leftists do not have enough of a majority to win alone. Calling the moderates pieces of shit is not going to result in anything moving left. Your actions are going to result in the fascists taking control and dissolving the thin patina of democracy we have presently. Perfect is the enemy of better, and you're running headfirst into much, much worse.
Nothing is "better" over the last 20 years or more. Everything gets worse. Every. Single. Year. Everything gets worse.
No shit. Nothing moves us left. Ever. Because nothing ever gets better. Everything is rotting. Fuck the moderates. They are pieces of shit.
Not better year over year, better than the alternative. What, you'd prefer the fascists win? I hate that that's the choice, but it is. Explain to me how refusing to vote for the moderates does anything but empower the far right. You think if enough Leftists abstain from voting, that a secret Communist will take office like a video game cheat code?
I honestly want to hear your proposed alternative which isn't just "let the fascists win because the moderates aren't good enough". Sincerely, what does effective praxis look like to you? Because complaining and name-calling is not effective praxis.
I think the moderates will wake the fuck up and realize they can't win general elections without our help and stop voting against us in the primaries.
Or the country will collapse. One or the other. I don't really care at this point. You're placing all this responsibility on me while trivializing everything I'm fighting for. Go fuck yourself.
So no, no praxis, just name calling and enabling fascists. Got it. The Internet was a mistake.
This is the problem, Biden is a historically pro-union president and people don't seem to recognize it. His appointments to the national labor board are responsible for the resurgence of unions were seeing.
Actions speak louder than words, Jack.
Here's a summary of the many actions Biden has taken that you appear ignorant of, from the IBEW:
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
And you seem to be blind to notion that he's likely going cause our side to lose. We need someone livelier and more in touch than his orange opponent.
I'm fully aware of what Biden's stated "accomplishments" are. Just like Obama, he hasn't done enough. And now, he's propping up state sponsored genocide. So, no thanks unless I have no other choice.
You do have other choices, however they either aren't viable or they are worse.
You mean not paying child support for your children of extra-martial affairs & never paying taxes makes you a bad candidate now? Next you are going to tell me abusing & harassing your campaign staff is a bad thing.
Rare sane voice in the mass of users that shift with the whims of the GOP.