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Honestly, a bit surprised by this. It wasn't even on Steam. Hopefully switching to an open source SDK will get this back up.

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[–] fidodo 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Why not just call it something else? Valve doesn't own the concept of portals. Swap out the models and textures and then accidentally release a separate conversation mod when the project is done.

[–] BreadstickNinja 17 points 11 months ago (6 children)

It sounds from the article like the ultimate issue is use of Nintendo IP, not Valve's.

Though I've never understood why Nintendo is so authoritarian about its IP.

[–] Soggy 8 points 11 months ago

Not just Nintendo, it's a Japanese thing. (Not to suggest it's unique to them, just look at Disney.)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Nintendo is scared shitless of getting their IP rights taken from them by allowing general usage. For instance, they absolutely hated that old thing where any old person would call any game console a Nintendo because if Nintendo became a generic word for console they'd lose protections for it.

[–] creditCrazy 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The ridiculous thing is that if I recall correctly this game isn't using Nintendo IP. It's just trying to run on outdated Nintendo hardware. Come to think of it is Nintendo trying to copyright low poly art styles.

[–] yaaaaayPancakes 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

From what I read, the codebase is using Nintendo proprietary sdk libraries in its codebase. So that is technically Nintendo IP. The fix is to switch to open source implementations of those libraries. But the dev is hesitant to put in that work without Valve's approval, because if he does that work Valve can still fuck him over for using their Portal IP, and an n64 game isn't distributable on Steam, so there's literally nothing in it for Valve to bless/support it. So he's worried that all that effort would be for naught. And Nintendo already threatened Valve in the past when Dolphin was attempting to distribute on Steam, and Valve backed down. So the theory is that Valve doesn't want to piss off the big N in any way legally.

Now, we can ask ourselves why almost 30 year old sdks are still valuable to Nintendo, but unfortunately copyright law being what it is, it's technically illegal to do what the dev did. He should have seen this coming and used the open source libraries instead of the Nintendo proprietary ones. But I say this not knowing how good those open source libraries are, they could have problems, be incomplete, etc., or maybe not exist when he started the project. But either way a dev should have known using Nintendo IP in any form is fraught with peril.

[–] fidodo 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

While the ultimate issue is Nintendo's IP, obviously you can't remove Nintendo's IP in this case since it's for the N64, so the only other option is to remove valves. I understand why valve doesn't want to implicitly endorse an N64 game with their IP by saying nothing, but if they remove valves IP then all that's left is a generic N64 hobby project which Nintendo wouldn't bother acknowledging.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Because that is all they got. Even if they make some profit on the sale of the hardware, it is peanuts compared to the game and tie-in sales. Losing control of even a single IP would be a serious hit to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i13hrynnGNY

[–] woelkchen 1 points 11 months ago

It sounds from the article like the ultimate issue is use of Nintendo IP, not Valve’s.

But it wasn't Nintendo of America who issued the takedown. It was Valve and they don't represent Nintendo.

[–] woelkchen 3 points 11 months ago

Swap out the models and textures and then accidentally release a separate conversation mod when the project is done.

And audio. The GLADOS monologues are in as well.