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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

wrong

The president acted as he did and the system of checks and balances played a role.

He is absolutely allowed to do that. It is not "illegal"

[–] BombOmOm 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He isn't going to be put in jail or anything no. He attempted to use a power he does not have. If the president wants this program to become a thing, an act of congress is required.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

nope he has the power to do that. he was just told no by a separate and equally powerful authority who has the right to do that.

both parties are allowed to do what they did

[–] tallwookie -3 points 1 year ago

the executive branch of the government isnt allowed to do what he tried to do. it is, by definition, an illegal action.

per the judicial branch, the legislative branch alone has that power. it's been that way for a long time.

[–] SmurfDotSee -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, he's literally not. That's the whole point of the ruling.

What he did was deemed "illegal" by the court, which means he can't do it...

[–] FinnFooted 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The amount of mental gymnastics this court has used to strike down years of precedent is insane. Can anyone actually still look at their rulings anymore and genuinely say that they aren't just making rulings based on their personal beliefs and bias? Tomorrow it will be illegal to own gold fish if they decided that was in the bible.

[–] SmurfDotSee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no mental gymnastics in this one. You just don't agree with them.

[–] FinnFooted 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh honey, Kavanaugh literally made a ruling about a week ago that contradicts this one. But yeah. You're actually right. They didn't use mental gymnastics. They were too lazy for even that. They're just saying no and contradicting themselves with almost zero justification as to why.

[–] SmurfDotSee -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, i mean, if you can't read, i could certainly see how you could conflate the two cases. But they're not the same. So...

Dumb point.

[–] FinnFooted 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What? I didn't conflate them. I said the foundational arguments contradict each other and thus their own precedent.

[–] SmurfDotSee -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, but that's the thing. You're saying that doesn't mean it's true. And if you can read, you'll understand why they came to two separate decisions in two separate cases that have totally different underlying facts.

But, you know... You seem to either be ABLE to read and choose not to, or you are just saying shit to say shit without having read anything.

[–] FinnFooted 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"States can't sue the government just over 'indirect' harm from a federal policy" is literally applicable to both. Are you unable to extrapolate that information outside of the context of a single case? Does precedent mean absolutely nothing to you? because it sure doesn't to the supreme court anymore.