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Eating Meat Is Bad for Climate Change, and Here Are All the Studies That Prove It (sentientmedia.org)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And there's answers to all the "it's about..."'s. Of the ones you listed, only the first two would even need answering since the last two are largely fabricated issues.

[–] capital 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Last one is directly connected to the first two lol

Edit: Since the thread got locked I guess I'll have to dunk on the guy below me from here.

Nobody is growing crops “for livestock”.

Damn, that's weird. Because this article shows the majority of US cropland is dedicated to growing food just for livestock. And before you bring up grazing land, that's separated out. There's even nice pictures if the words confuse you.

86% of what they eat are inedible waste, and the other 14% are things they are being grown anyway.

Feel free to source your claims at any time. But even if the 86% number is right, that's crazy that to make up the rest we need the majority of US cropland hu?

Thank you for invalidating the first two arguments by tying them to a propagandist’s fantasy.

I brought fuckin' receipts boy.

Nobody will ever change a zealous vegan’s view, but anyone else that reads this will realize all the coercion to quit meat has nothing to do with valid environmental concerns.

I got to this position based on data (and morals). Feel free to present data at any time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"lol".

Nobody is growing crops "for livestock". 86% of what they eat are inedible waste, and the other 14% are things they are being grown anyway. The most common two feed crops, corn and soy, are being grown for a different part of the crop to be used for industrial purposes. Yes, they feed a little edible corn to cows shortly before slaughter to maximize the return and quality of meat. Nobody is waiting in line for that corn because it's terrible and non-nutiritious calories for humans. If you suddenly passed a law that forced us to euthenize all the cows and threatened us with prison time if we ate meat, those same crops would be grown only to be destroyed in ways that are just as bad (or worse) for the environment as feeding to animals

Thank you for invalidating the first two arguments by tying them to a propagandist's fantasy. Nobody will ever change a zealous vegan's view, but anyone else that reads this will realize all the coercion to quit meat has nothing to do with valid environmental concerns.

Thank you for winning my argument for me.