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Pope Francis called Monday for a universal ban on the “despicable” practice of surrogate motherhood, as he included the “commercialization” of pregnancy in an annual speech listing threats to global peace and human dignity.

In a foreign policy address to ambassadors accredited to the Holy See, Francis lamented that 2024 had dawned at a time in history in which peace is “increasingly threatened, weakened and in some part lost.”

Citing Russia’s war in Ukraine, the Israel-Hamas war, migration, climate crises and the “immoral” production of nuclear and conventional weapons, Francis delivered a lengthy laundry list of the ills afflicting humanity and the increasing violation of international humanitarian law that allows them.

But Francis also listed smaller-scale issues that he said were threats to peace and human dignity, including surrogacy. Francis said the life of the unborn child must be protected and not “suppressed or turned into an object of trafficking.”

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[–] Chainweasel 130 points 11 months ago (3 children)

ban on the “despicable” practice of surrogate motherhood.

Wasn't Mary technically a surrogate?

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Consistency isn't exactly a strong suit for religion over time

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Or even from one page to the next.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago
[–] june 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don’t think so, no. She didn’t carry the baby for another person and Jesus was of her DNA. She was supposedly made pregnant by god rather than another human (some folks wonder if god actually came down and fucked her or just placed a baby in her womb, which I think is an interesting thing to think about). Either way, surrogacy generally means the woman carries a child that doesn’t have her DNA, but Christian theology, across denominations and sects, all seem to agree he was fully human which would come from Mary.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

"Hey Mary" "Yes, Joseph" "So, you are pregnant..." "Yes! I told you so already! It was god!" "Yeah, about that, remember the angel, the other day, Gabriel I think it was... big flaming sword you said right? Was that... was that a metaphor or something?" "..." "I mean, you can tell me, we are in this together Mary, I'd just like to know" "No Joseph, no, he had a physical, real, big throbbing sword!" "Throbbing?" "Flaming, Joseph, flaming... YOU NEVER LISTEN TO ME"

[–] Chriswild 5 points 11 months ago

Generally it's surrogacy even if the baby has their DNA. If two identical twins could theoretically carry the other's baby as a surrogate despite having the same DNA.

Either God raped her or God gave her IVF against her knowledge. Because she raised the child as her own regardless and it's not like they could DNA test.

Religion is fucking stupid