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[–] Viking_Hippie 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Kind of forgetting the rest of the Muslim world that wants Palestine obliterated and all jews murdered.

Hostile rhetoric can be dangerous, sure. Your people being systematically and deliberately eradicated by one of the most advanced militaries in the world is much worse.

Now tell me what a Muslim theocracy would do if Palestine was obliterated.Would they welcome the progressives and LGBTQ+ crowd with open arms?

Palestine IS being obliterated. Israel isn't.

Also, the fact that no theocracy of any religion is progressive and accepting of LGBTQ+ people doesn't excuse any war crimes on Israel's part.

I honestly want to know your thoughts.

With leading questions like those, I kinda doubt it..

[–] ctobrien84 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Let's not strawman and say I'm excusing war crimes. Hamas and religious extremism are the enemies here. Innocents, non-combatants should always be left unmolested.

However, the fact that you call the Islamic agenda of exterminating the Jews "hostile rhetoric" is so naive. It's basically ignoring what every Islamic state actually does and says. You're dismissive of one of the most important facets of the entire conflict.

[–] grue 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

... and religious extremism are the enemies here.

So you're willing to admit that includes Israeli state-supported "settler" violence too, right?

[–] Viking_Hippie 2 points 11 months ago

Let's not strawman and say I'm excusing war crimes

What else would you call exaggerating the threat to Israel in an effort to justify the many atrocities of the IDF?

Hamas and religious extremism are the enemies here

Yes, but that enemy is so ridiculously weaker than the IDF that it's not so much a war as a campaign of genocide. It's like if the US went to war against Rhode Island, except Rhode Island was cut off from the rest of the world and vital resources such as food, medicine, water, electricity and fuel.

However, the fact that you call the Islamic agenda of exterminating the Jews "hostile rhetoric" is so naive.

Is there any real risk of them actually making that happen? No. Is there any risk of Hamas making that happen? HELL NO.

It's basically ignoring what every Islamic state actually does and says

I'm not ignoring it, I'm just not blowing it out of proportion and pretending that the systematic slaughter of all Palestinians is in any way justified because of it or that the slaughter won't make that WORSE.

You're dismissive of one of the most important facets of the entire conflict.

See above.