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[–] [email protected] 84 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

See the 14th Amendment to the constitution, added after the civil war. It prevents citizens who previously swore an oath to support the constitution (so any federal employee, person in the military, or federally elected politician including President), and who engaged in insurrection against the United States from being eligible to hold public office.

Edit: We really shotgunned you there, didn't we 🦆

Edit 2: Added info about oath

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I'm curious why that only prevents people who have sworn an oath. Why should anyone who has engaged in insurrection be able to hold office? Forgive me if this is a dumb question, I am only half awake.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Probably because they’ve proven that they won’t follow the oath they swore. So if they get reelected and swear the same oath (that they’ve already broken once) again, we already know they can’t be trusted to uphold it. So we don’t even give them the opportunity to be sworn in a second time.

But since an unsworn person never violated an oath of office, they’re still an unknown and could potentially be trusted. It’s a sort of “innocent until proven guilty” situation, where the person hasn’t broken any oath so by default they’re assumed to be trustworthy. But as soon as you break that oath, you’re not going to be trusted again.

[–] phx 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Another situation I could see is if you had a massive power grab by an authoritarian group and a subsequent insurrection that actually led to them being overgrown. Wouldn't make sense to disqualify the ones that fought for it.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 2 points 6 months ago

An important point. This insurrection rule could be used by fascist to retain power.

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