this post was submitted on 12 Dec 2023
341 points (96.7% liked)

Android

27897 readers
152 users here now

DROID DOES

Welcome to the droidymcdroidface-iest, Lemmyest (Lemmiest), test, bestest, phoniest, pluckiest, snarkiest, and spiciest Android community on Lemmy (Do not respond)! Here you can participate in amazing discussions and events relating to all things Android.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules


1. All posts must be relevant to Android devices/operating system.


2. Posts cannot be illegal or NSFW material.


3. No spam, self promotion, or upvote farming. Sources engaging in these behavior will be added to the Blacklist.


4. Non-whitelisted bots will be banned.


5. Engage respectfully: Harassment, flamebaiting, bad faith engagement, or agenda posting will result in your posts being removed. Excessive violations will result in temporary or permanent ban, depending on severity.


6. Memes are not allowed to be posts, but are allowed in the comments.


7. Posts from clickbait sources are heavily discouraged. Please de-clickbait titles if it needs to be submitted.


8. Submission statements of any length composed of your own thoughts inside the post text field are mandatory for any microblog posts, and are optional but recommended for article/image/video posts.


Community Resources:


We are Android girls*,

In our Lemmy.world.

The back is plastic,

It's fantastic.

*Well, not just girls: people of all gender identities are welcomed here.


Our Partner Communities:

[email protected]


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think a lot of people here are missing the point that in a court legal != pro-consumer. The US has monopoly laws that Apple (annoyingly) follows but Google does not.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Apple follows the monopoly laws but Google doesn't? Which one allows you to install alternative app stores again?

[–] Carighan 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Because Apple does not break monopoly law. Which isn't about installing app stores, would be weird if that's in the law anyways given the age.

Apple sells a device they make, with firmware they create. That firmware allows plugins from a catalogue they curate because it's all their ecosystem, top to bottom.

Google otoh creates an OS. More like MS or Canonical or so.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's a clever-evil (clevil?) gambit, right? Become the largest corporation on the planet, but somehow skirt being a monopoly technically. If Apple's iPhone hardware team colludes with Apple's App Store team, it's just collaboration. If they did so with a third party, it'd be collusion.

Meanwhile:

  • Third party Bluetooth hardware (like smartwatches) has to use an inferior API than Apple's private one for their Bluetooth accessories
  • Third party browsers have to use Apple's rendering engine in degraded performance to Safari and can't use their own
  • Third party apps are forced to follow Apple's power policy (ex: background apps can't run over 10 minutes) while Apple's apps can do what they want.
  • Apple can circumvent third party VPNs to always allow their traffic to 17.0.0.0, so there is basically no way to block an Apple device from talking to Apple HQ except for taking it offline.

On Android you can take an OEM device and change most aspects of it to suit your needs. On iOS, nope. Sad thing is though, Google seems to be slowly closed-sourcing Android to be like a broken version of Apple.

In the end, we all lose.

The laws need updating, also the people in governance need updating so they can comprehend these things.

Edit: Formatting

[–] woelkchen 5 points 11 months ago

I must be seriously misunderstanding the US legal system. OEMs can ship whatever store they want next to Play Store. I have a Samsung phone in my hand with Galaxy Store coming out of the box proving that point.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apple makes its own app store for its own OS to be used on its own devices. It doesn't make anyone else bundle its services on third party devices.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It is more that iOS isn't the market leader. If iOS had Android's marketshare, Apple would have lost its case.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

That certainly weighs into it, but take a look at the agreements that Google has handset manufacturers agree to. They're quite a lot like 90's Microsoft.