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Why is the US still sending an endless supply of arms to Israel without conditions?
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 09 Dec 2023
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The US is an Israeli puppet state.
You can credibldy argue that Israel has an outsized influence of US foreign policy, but to call the US an "Israeli puppet state" is such a hyperbolic exaggeration that it sounds less like a valid criticism and more like the old "Jews control the world" antisemitic hate speech.
The US has far more influence on Israel than vice versa
Its hard to tell sometimes whether somebody is using phrasing like that naively or as a dog whistle (which is why its an effective dog whistle). The reality is Israel plays a critical role in maintaining US empire and public image and Netanyahu is cashing in those in for a racist child-killing spree.
Agreed. The USA is simply too powerful to ever become anyone's lapdog, they're a force unto themselves
Let's not commit to hyperbole. Netty is just a manipulative ass who needs Israel distracted with another war
I must have missed the memo where raping women to death, slicing off their tits, and mutilating their vaginas is classified as "resisting oppression".
Hamas is bad. Very bad.
Edit: I should have included the sauce.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181
I missed the proof this happened
I did too, but what we do have proof of, in the form of hours and hours of grisly trauma-inducing footage, is quite bad enough. While we can rightly condemn its overuse, there is no universe in which the Israelis can be blamed for reacting with force.
Sauce: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181
this isn't proof
Fog of war. All information about the war is provisional at this point. The full truth will come out eventually. In the meantime, I can at least believe that the BBC saw what they say they saw. If the footage itself was faked, we will find out at some point.
the bbc saw someone claiming to see something. it's hearsay.
Yes, that's true, did you read my comment?
Also, I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of news is hearsay. Only relatively few things are ever subjected to the level of scrutiny required by western courts of law.
you'll forgive me if i don't believe state-produced media parroting state-produced videos. "fog of war" and all.
Fair enough, we all have to make our own judgments about sources.
so why spread lies?
Here you go. But be warned, it is hard to read.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181
Yes, I agree with you. It's a tale as old as time.
Song as old as rhyme
Beeyu-tee aaaand...the Beeeast
There is no genocide of Palestinians. Less than 1% of Palestinians have been killed in this conflict
I’m not totally convinced that this is Israel’s intent—most of what I’ve seen points to a brazen and sociopathic indifference typical of 7th graders and goofy “strongman” populists like Netanyahu alike—but the percentage of the population killed does not factor in determining whether it is genocide.
They've killed 0.6% of the population, counting enemy militants.
Gaza is 5x the density of Mosul, in which the US (who quite obviously was not committing genocide) killed ~10,000 civilians.
Things can be shitty and not be genocide.
Again, I really don’t to weigh in on whether or not it is genocide, if only because I’m not gonna change anybody’s opinion here. Alls I’m saying is that the qualifications for genocide do not include the destruction of the entire, or even the majority of, the population.
Any sane look at the situation makes it obvious it is not genocide
And I’m still not trying to argue with you on that. I’m just saying that the numbers you’re citing do not support your case. There are most definitely situations where killing 0.6% of a population would be considered genocide.
Maybe, if they fit any of the other criteria, which Israel obviously does not
Please point to where I said anything explicitly disagreeing with that.
TIL A Jewish professor of Holocaust and genocide studies is insane.