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"Ethan Crumbley will be sentenced in a hearing Friday for killing four students and wounding seven others when he opened fire at Oxford High School in Michigan in November 2021. Live news updates."

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[–] FlowVoid 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

You can't seriously suggest that as he gunned down his classmates he was wondering "I wonder if I'll get in trouble for this."

That excuse only works for toddlers who discharge their parent's firearm. Every 15 year old knows that murder is wrong. If his parents forgot to tell him, he would've learned in kindergarten. During his active shooter drills.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Schizophrenia can be a much stronger force than those morals that are imparted on kids. The kid texted his mom claiming to hear demons and see ghosts. You can't tell me that is someone who is in a sane state of mind.

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

People who suffer from schizophrenia are generally capable of distinguishing right from wrong. It is a common misconception that they are a danger to society. Mental illness is not enough to transform people into killers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Generally is the key word there. Yes, generally people with schizophrenia are more likely to be victims of violence than to commit it but not always especially if he has other mental health issues. It also does not generally manifest until the early 20s for males but clearly it came in very early for him.

At the very least, we can all agree that he desperately needed mental help and his parents completely ignored it while also giving him the means to carry out deadly violence.

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

His other mental health issue is that he is a sociopath.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most likely considering he tortured animals.

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 11 months ago

Exactly. Also, I agree that his parents were total failures at multiple levels. They fully deserve the manslaughter charges they now face.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Using active shooter drills as an excuse to justify jailing a 15 yr old for life is about as obtuse as you can get.

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm using active shooter drills to refute the idea that he didn't know active shooters are wrong.

Whether or not he should be jailed for life is a different question.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

However you say it, it's still wrong.

[–] FlowVoid -5 points 11 months ago

You're the one defending a mass murderer, not me.