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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I feel like the answer is a tax strike. Most of what taxes do today is move money from the poor to the rich, while occasionally moving some from the middle class to the poor (and constantly threatening to take that away). A tax strike could break all of this pretty quickly, or at least force them to attack and show what they're really about.

A tax strike could take care of a number of problems, like this and the complete unwillingness to address climate change.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you were to actually get people to participate in a tax strike, the government would just round everyone up for something like tax fraud or some other tax related crime and ship them to the for profit prisons and make them even more money. Only solution would be, in my opinion, to overthrow the rich and let their heads roll.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, there are a lot of people who do tax resistence for religious reasons. Quakers regularly resist taxes because they assert their religious right not to pay for war. There are both legal and illegal ways to resist.

Let's compare two scenarios: (1) a large number of people carry out a peaceful tax strike and are arrested, (2) people start killing "the rich."

In scenario 1, even after arresting people the system is still starved of resources. A violent reaction could even elicit more people to join or prompt a violent resistence that would overthrow the system.

In scenario 2, if people actually end up killing anyone they're arrested or just straight killed. They are seen as crazy people. The dead rich people are replaced with new rich people. Nothing changes. This has been tried a lot of times before. Even getting to the point of killing one billionaire would take several people working together. Spend some time just imagining how it would actually work, like how a plan like that would actually work, and you'll understand why it's not a good first option.

[–] guacupado 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The dead rich people are replaced with new rich people. Nothing changes.

It will absolutely change things. The only reason this won't work is because things aren't actually bad enough yet that anyone is willing to go to jail for this. I don't even want to go to into detail because I don't know if that'll get my banned or put on a list (lol) but if enough if the rich are publicly brutalized, it'd make the next person hesitant. This isn't a movie where there's always another evil general ready to replace the first.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If that was going to work it would have on September 6th 1901. It didn't work then, or any other time. Do whatever you want, but if you want to be useful there are much more effective things to do. Honestly, rich people are also trapped in this machine.

Capitalism, like patriarchy, means suffering for everyone involved. This includes the dominant group. They are also victims, just in a very different way. Brutalizing them would do nothing because they're already afraid. That's why they're killing us. They're afraid that if they give up power we'll exact revenge. That's why they can't just stop even though they know we'll all die.

[–] iAvicenna 0 points 1 year ago
[–] Modva 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a thought exercise sure, that would work if it could be done at coordinated scale.

Practically though, doesn't seem achievable considering how manipulated most of the population is on billionaires.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It depends on how it's done. It definitely requires scale to work, but it's not unachievable and it doesn't have to start at scale. I don't even think the majority of the population is that manipulated. The majority wants radical change. Authoritarianism relies on the illusion that most people are brainwashed, and that illusion simply isn't true.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you’re a W2 you never even see the money that gets taken for taxes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There are a lot of mechanisms for tax resistence, legal and illegal. One is to just claim 100% deductions and refuse to pay at the end of the year. This is absolutely illegal, but civil disobedience often is.