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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A lot of people talking about means seem to be side stepping the fact that life is getting harder and that's probably why suicides are going up.

The means do matter, but the means aren't driving the wave we've seen this decade. Most suicides are finances and loneliness related. And even if someone does survive an attempt using another mean, the "help" is usually involuntary institutionalization which will make your life even worse. Even getting a driver's license is harder after that.

Not to discredit the means, I just think we need to take a hard look at everything surrounding said means. Society needs to fail someone 1,000 times before they pick up the final societal failure.

[–] kromem 5 points 1 year ago

Social media is pretty poisonous for people, and has led to some extreme levels of alienation between people caught up in it and their close friends and family (which is the historical support network).

So people who see the world more like the strangers they have no practical connection with and obsess over the ways in which they see the world differently from those they actually have connections with leads to a very dark place.

There's a number of different factors going on, but I remember seeing private market research around two years ago at the striking divide even within households and realizing we were headed towards serious problems.

Everything is extremist, categorized by binary teams, and outrage driven.

That's not a recipe for a healthy social life, and not having a healthy social life or feeling apart from those in one's life can be devastating on mental health.

[–] aesthelete -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This post brought to you by a test drive of a proposed Texas "don't say gun" law.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why I hate talking about guns online lmao. "oh you want to look at the big picture? You must be a republican gun fucker"

Shut up

[–] aesthelete -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Dude you were too scared to even say gun which is why your post was so awkward and why I even responded.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Scared to say gun? I was using the language, "means," because the rest of the comments were using that, and I literally referred to a gun as a societal failure.

[–] aesthelete -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's a top level post so it isn't based on the "other posts". Trying to use different words and phrases for gun made for a very weird sounding post that made it sound like you were trying to avoid using the word for no reason. 🤷

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was specifically referring to the comments where they posted the article called "means matter."

I figured me referencing other comments at the very beginning of mine would make that obvious but I guess not

[–] aesthelete -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's this thing called a reply button. Nevermind, I see you've found it.

Out of context (which it is, as a top level post) your post reads like a strange attempt to not say "gun" and that's why I added the sarcastic remark in response which appears to have rustled your jimmies so much that here we are still exchanging posts for some reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're right. I should copy and paste the same reply to all twenty comments talking about means.

Yes, you're right, you annoyed me enough to argue. Good job, here's your cookie

[–] aesthelete 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

🍪🫢 thanks, tastes great!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you, I made it myself. I used double chocolate chip.

Fuck, now I actually want a cookie.