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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Without the EU, we would be in hell so much faster.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Little of column a, little of column b. In this case they were the ones suggesting it to begin with, so they saved us from themselves?…

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"They"....

The EU is a collection of people of various political leanings, parties and affiliations. You cannot, in this context, throw them together under one word.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's both the strength and weakness of the EU. Yeah, we bicker a lot and we have different conflicting ideas and values, but that also means we're not easily susceptible to lobbying. An EU member could be lobbied to but other members will not be easy. American companies have used UK before to influence the EU but they're caught out. But the downside is that Putin has Orban and Hungary in his pockets and undermines the decision making of the union.

[–] Wispy2891 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But in this case it was the EU themselves that wanted the backdoors so badly that they ran lobbying ads on xitter "omg can you think of the children"

[–] themurphy 4 points 1 year ago

You can't really say that.

In principle, a group of very few individuals can make a proposal in the EU, because it's democratic. It was down voted. By the EU.

It's nothing different than a bill introduced in every other country, that the majority think is bonkers.

[–] neumast 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Although in this case, it was the EU who wanted to put a backdoor in every encrypted messenger... Thank god it looks like as if it won't happen!

[–] themurphy 4 points 1 year ago

A few people in the EU. Nothing close to majority.

Every democratic entity has insane proposals being down voted.