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There is a reason some of us chose to support Debian and its model of allowing downstream companies like Ubuntu (Canonical) to give back up to the open source father. And this is it. We dont need to compromise here. We already have a system that works perfectly and provides a choice for what suits you. If you are an enterprise then try Ubuntu instead of RHEL. If you are a home user you dont need enterprise support and can help us log bug reports and create the next version of Trixie. We need more testers and we have fought this long fight and proven we wont give up. What other proof do you need?
I got a feeling that the kind of people that use Rocky or Alma linux would have a heart attack dealing with snap on ubuntu. Maybe they're better off switching to Debian LTS instead.
As an inexperienced user, I can tell you that Debian is way harder to use than most people think. Out of the box, the distro is pretty bare ones. I'm having a blast using an Arch based distro, but on Debian I had to do everything manually. Stable is freaking old, and Unstable has lots of limitations, Docker for example is a true pain.
Ubuntu, Mint, Zorin, POP OS, are way better than Debian for users like me.
Red hat users would feel right at home, right?
Reading this, I wonder if we talk about the same Debian 😆
"I hate configuring Linux distros which is why I use arch btw"
Arch based, not the same thing. Crystal Linux bundles everything out of the box, so noobs like me don't have to do anything.
Same Debian, different kind of user. I'm sure you know your way around Debian much more than me.
I ll give you old but not at all unstable, wonder what instability have you found in LTS.
I think he meant: Stable is freaking old. Unstable has a lot of limitations.
Indeed, I edited my comment to better convey my point. Thanks for being so good at reading comprehension.
It's more stable to be on the latest versions than to carry around bugs and issues that were solved 5 years ago.
Pretty sure the whole statement is
I don't think they're saying Debian LTS is unstable.
Exactly what my bad wording meant to say. Thank you for your extraordinary reading comprehension.
My bad. I meant the Stable branch is old, which is good for lots of use cases, but not mine. And the Unstable branch which Docker for example, doesn't support. I edited my original comment to better represent what I'm trying to say.
A lot of people (incorrectly) equate "stable" with "bug-free". So conversely, having bugs would be "unstable".
how???
I just flashed a thumbdrive and installed Crystal Linux, everything worked out of the box. Everything I needed was bundled.
Stable is quite fresh as of 16 days ago. Debian's release cycle isn't exactly 2 years (like Ubuntu), but it's pretty darn close. The only thing Ubuntu really has going for it in terms of additional user-friendliness are PPAs and some additional things like newer versions of GCC as your fingertips. 3rd party software frequently maintain repos for both Debian and Ubuntu though, so compatibility itself is rarely ever a concern.
That said, it's not worth having Canonical injecting their corporate opinion in my server or desktop environments and prefer the more community oriented approach that Arch and Debian take. That said, I don't consider Debian to be an exceptional desktop oriented distro, but if we're talking enterprise-oriented workloads, we're typically discussing server appliances, which is where Debian excels over Ubuntu, imo.
I absolutely agree on Canonical, and how they turned out to be. I don't want anything of what they try to force down my throat. I don't want Snaps, Ads, crazy stuff like Amazon (WTF!?) or crap like that in my distro.
Regarding Stable, before Debian 12, it was very old. I can't adjust to their release cycle. Not on my desktop. Although on a server, It's totally the way to go. I'm planning on installing Proxmox on my homelab, which is based on Debian.
Really? It works for me in my homelab
You must be running Debian stable is old. Which is good for a homelab. Debian unstable isn't supported by Docker.
RHEL costs $600 a year. Its users can cope with debian easily.
It's amazing how some people have to learn the lesson that you can only trust non-profit foundations, not for-profit corporations, over and over again, and then even then it still somehow never seems to stick.