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I’ve seen another post about karma, and after reading the comments, I can see there is a strong opinion against it (which I do share). I’d love to hear your opinions, what other method/s would you guys implement? If any ofc

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What about hidden karma?
Like there is still karma used internally to decide what posts to promote and how to weight votes, but the numbers are kept only internally so people don't get obsessed with that number next to their (and others') profile?

[–] imperator3733 12 points 1 year ago

Or what if a user could see their own karma, but no one else's? If karma isn't publicly visible, then people may care less about it.

[–] InfiniteFlow 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this would make people more obsessed. We would see the rise of SEO-like shenanigans where they would try to guess what makes the internal algorithm tick, complete with “karma experts” to advise you on how to optimize, etc. more of a shitshow that just having it plainly visible, I think…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Well, I was assuming we were talking about open-source software. So you wouldn't need karma experts to "guess what makes the internal algorithm tick". If it's open source, the algorithm is still public. You just wouldn't know how much karma each user has.

[–] Dick_Justice 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, no, no, please no hidden algorithm. that's as bad or worse than karma, especially with the incoming bot shitstorm.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I didn't say hidden algorithm. I was assuming we were talking about open-source software and hence public algorithm.
It's just your karma points that would just be kept in the database without putting that number in your profile.
That changes nothing in terms of how the algorithm works. I didn't suggest changing anything on how many details are available on how the algorithm works.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Tbh this is what turned me off the thunder app.

[–] bappity 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

given how instances have been popping up with massive amounts of bots recently and someone even managed to get on top posts from bot upvotes recently, right now this probably wouldn't be a good idea... Though I tried looking back for the post I'm referring to and can't find it. maybe it got dealt with, title was like "Protect. Moderate. Purge your server" or something? the guy botted upvotes to promote to instance owners how to protect themselves from bots