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[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Reminds me of Russia's failed attempt to demonstrate that Nazis were in Ukraine by releasing photos of a 'bust' that was obviously staged and includes gems like multiple copies of The Sims video game which were supposed to be sim cards.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/25/russia-appears-to-confuse-the-sims-for-sim-cards-in-possible-staged-assassination-attempt/

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Another video distributed by Russian state news agency RIA showed an inscription in an unidentified book supposedly recovered in the arrest — signed in Russian with the words “signature illegible.”

This whole article is just bonkers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's so surreal it kind of makes me wonder if it's really a false flag, because they can't be that incompetent... Right?

[–] Maggoty 5 points 11 months ago

It's not about being good. It's about generating headlines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Something about generating doubt, uncertainty and cynicism.

Or they're just that incompetent. I could see that too

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, there are definitely Nazis fighting for Ukraine. As there were Nazis fighting for Wagner, it's not exactly a secret and they have the symbols right on their uniforms.

[–] Nurse_Robot 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

Ukraine's problem with far-right nationalist militias was openly talked about in western media before the Russian invasion

https://archive.li/iNMNq (haaretz)

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/17/714413439/right-wing-groups-are-active-in-ukraine-as-country-heads-into-presidential-elect

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/380483-congress-bans-arms-to-controversial-ukrainian-militia-linked-to-neo-nazis/

Putin's claim that he's invading to "de-nazify" Ukraine is obviously nonsense since Wagner was literally named for Hitler's favorite composer but to pretend they don't have a neo-nazi problem is just ignoring reality.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

What the other replies said. The Azov battalion is a notorious example.

As for Wagner, you can read about this lovely co-founder on Wikipedia.

Both sides are happy to have Nazis fighting for them, but the war itself doesn't have anything to do with ideology, it's a proxy war between Russia and NATO and purely about geopolitics.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

copied from the Wikipedia page on the Azov-Battalion

"The unit has drawn controversy over its early and allegedly continuing association with far-right groups and neo-Nazi ideology,[13] its use of controversial symbols linked to Nazism, and early allegations that members of the unit participated in human rights violations.[14][15][16] Some experts have been critical of the regiment's role within the larger Azov Movement, a political umbrella group made up of veterans and organizations linked to Azov, and its possible far-right political ambitions, despite claims of the regiment's depoliticization.[17][8] Others argue that the regiment has evolved, tempering its neo-Nazi and far-right underpinnings as it became part of the National Guard.[18][19][9] The Azov Regiment has been a recurring theme of Russian propaganda.[20] The unit has been designated a terrorist group by Russia since August 2022.[21]"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lol, yeah. I just had to explain how that kind of manipulation works.

Propaganda is a powerful force when it's used to reinforce an existing bias. Facts are irrelevant because you saw what you wanted to see.

Governments play the propaganda war hard. I am not picking sides over it: It is what it is.

Edit: Confirmation bias. That is the phrase I was referring to.