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Not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious. I'm being serious. I'd be happy to learn and discuss if you're willing to reply with more than accusations.
As I understand it, the Hamas Charter says that Israel should not exist. At all. Attacking civilians as opposed to Israeli militants appears to reinforce that assesment. I'm not sure this meets the definition of genocide but telling your opponent they don't get to exist seems to bark up that tree.
At the same time, Israel is sending missles into populous zones, which absolutely sucks, but isn't that where Hamas attacks from and stores weaponry? I consent that I only think this because of what I've read. I have no idea if it's really factual. Is Hamas using the Palestinians as a shield to further their goals? That doesn't sound like symbiosis, it sounds like a parasite.
If it's true, why is Hamas putting civilians in the line of fire by waging war and then locating their gear in such a location? That sounds a bit genocidal in the same way that cancer kills its host.
How do you reconcile the fact that Hamas explicitly does not want Israelis to exist anymore though? Does that not mean they intend to carry out a genocide?
They would be fine with Israelis becoming Palestinian. That's hardly genocide.
They just don't want Israel to exist.
A real hadith quote from Hamas' founding charter, Article VII (1988)
Let's be totally real here, for most of their short history Hamas has been deeply committed to carrying out a genocide against the Jewish people for a mix of reasons including politics, religion and race. Over the last 4-5 years Hamas have made an effort to moderate their language around this topic, but judging by recent events they have done very little to moderate their actions and ideology.
Thats how israel was created. Israel did that within living memory. That was how that nation came to be.
I dont think being homophobic is overly relevant, tho, no? Being homophobic is not a reason to murder people.
Idea:
Let's give the Native Americans Israel and Palestine as reparations for being massacred and displaced from their homes by a different fascist imperialist state.
We'll call it a three-state solution, and we'll back the Native American's with military support so that they can establish themselves in their new home, by force if necessary, in case the current inhabitants happen to not like the idea of being occupied by the newcomers.
And when it goes to shit, we'll say 'both sides are to blame' but conveniently abdicate our own responsibility for creating the situation in the first place.
Crazy that nobody else has thought of this.
Your homophobia aside, that's exactly what the Israelis are doing. Also, strictly speaking, the conquering and elimination of a national government isn't genocide. That requires the people to be murdered for being of that national origin. If they aren't being murdered, there's no genocide.
I'm a Mexican-American atheist man who has sucked more dicks in my life than most women have. I live a couple miles from the bridge I slept under in the wintertime as a homeless kid because the Gospel Mission didn't "take my kind". I spent my days collecting enough bottles so I could buy a meal every day for my sister and I so we didn't starve, because one day our mother decided she didn't want to take care of us anymore and just left. So don't you fucking dare strut around talking about how only you know what suffering is, you Zionist, genocidal, Muslim-hating, self-righteous piece of shit. You didn't suffer through any shit countless other people have. The difference between you and I is that I didn't let it turn me into a fucking shit stain of a human being.