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Congressional staff say the mood inside the Capitol is tense, stifling and bewildering as members brush off their constituents’ outrage.

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[–] nucleative 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't directly have a dog in this fight, and I could never hope to properly untangle the moral standing of each side. At best I can comment on what I see as the obvious righteous mess that it has become.

Those who are entrenched in their positions and have resorted to slinging labels or using pejoritaves don't move others closer to their positions, they move them further. That is what I mean by unproductive.

But I can comment on why the elected American representatives may be letting calls go to voicemail in regards to a ceasefire. Since the beginning of time as we know it, the winner of a conflict writes the history book, and Hamas doesn't have enough apparent support to emerge from this still controlling Gaza.

I can imagine an American calculus that history will blame Hamas for the unnecessary deaths, and another few months of not changing the stance on Israel's strategy will not impact the rest of the course of world affairs in any other significant way.

[–] masquenox 1 points 1 year ago

That is what I mean by unproductive.

The "marketplace of ideas" is a thoroughly debunked idea, Clyde - only the most desperate liberals cling to it these days.

the winner of a conflict writes the history book, and Hamas

The entire propaganda model that the US and Europe has spent untold treasure propping up for the last fifty years or so to protect their little white supremacist "fortress state" in the middle-east is falling apart right in front of our eyes... and there's absolutely nothing that the (so-called) "west" can do to reverse that now.

This would not have happened were it not for Hamas' attack.

They don't get to write the history books in whatever way they see fit any more - those days are long gone. Any historian that pretends US hegemony in the middle-east hasn't been significantly weakened due to the (so-called) "War On Terror" isn't one that's going to be taken very seriously.