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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I mean... this is probably good for the world as a whole since China is the new "near peer" bogeyman for the most funded standing military on the planet.

But... unless we can get some guarantees for Taiwan... this is not good. And Pooh Bear ain't going to be backing off of his strong man military invasion to bleed his entire military dry.

[–] interceder270 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The guarantee for Taiwan is that it's in neither country's best interest to start a hot war with the other.

As long as Taiwan is integral to US national security (it is because of their chips,) the US will defend Taiwan as though it were its own.

To think otherwise is asinine, and I challenge you to wait until China invades Taiwan while it's still a vital asset to US national security and then you can tell me I'm wrong.

You're going to be waiting a long time, just saying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And what might make Taiwan no longer "integral to US national security"? Having an even stronger military ally in the region.

And what keeps those semiconductors "safe"? The knowledge that this won't be a clean war. This won't be landing troops in an airport after targeted bombardments and then decapitating leadership. Russia tried that and it led to their semi-competent soldiers being killed and the current slog of a war.

And you know what was a big factor in that? Western military and intelligence support.

Without that? Quick invasion and then an insurgency. But China Don't Care about "the optics". Just look at their ongoing genocide of the Uyghurs, their subjugation of Hong Kong, or even how thoroughly they have (internally) covered up why Tiananmen Square is a touch subject. And even externally, people know that more for "ha ha, China covered it up" rather than WHY there was a massacre in the first place. Insurgencies don't last long under those conditions.

And if the US has "strong military ties" with China? That more or less means we have to pick and choose who we actually support in the event of a war. And it probably won't be the smaller military. Otherwise we would have told Pooh to go fuck himself and not bothered with this.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 3 points 1 year ago

covered up why Tiananmen Square

Every single Chinese person I have asked has told me that they knew about the incident long before they left China.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Can't expect public guarantees but if Xi doesn't actually believe his saber rattling bs, he might give some private commitment. If anything like this happens, we'd hear it in the rhetoric of Biden and his administration vis-a-vis Taiwan.

[–] wurzelgummidge 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

China has consistently said it will only invade Taiwan if it declares independence. Taiwan can only do that if it rewrites its own constitution. Western media never bother with details like that though, it diminishes China's bogeyman credentials.

[–] TheDarkKnight 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn’t China say they were going to leave Homg Kong alone too? Things change.

[–] wurzelgummidge -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When was the last time you visited Hong Kong? I live there and your news media is full of shit.

[–] TheDarkKnight 2 points 1 year ago

I live there too.