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Ah, okay.
For what it's worth, as someone who lives in the US, don't just believe what you're hearing on CNN (etc.), that is very one-sided Pro-Israeli.
There are plenty of people who want to see Hamas destroyed, but not the Palestinians. They want the Palestinians to live free like any other Nation on this Earth, and in happiness, and absolutely hate seeing what's happening to them right now.
Palestinians tried peaceful protest. They got shot.
Hamas only exists because other strategies haven't worked.
Don't think you and I on an Internet forum are going to come up with the solution for world peace.
It's been said that it's Iran that lets Hamas exist, as Iran is trying to control and influence the region of the planet they live in (as any other major power would do in their corner of the world), and that their primary goal is not peace between the Palestinians and Israeli.
But again, we're not going to figure this all out on an Internet forum.
So that's why innocent protests in Palestine get protestors shot?
Don't let the perfect solution prevent you from finding any solution.
Ultimately, yes. We're all more interconnected with each other than we'd like to admit, and violence begets violence.
I never do.
"It's the innocent protestors' fault that they got shot."
I did not say that, you did.
Your claim to me showing you that innocent protestors got shot is to claim that "violence begets violence"
What exactly do you mean?
No, it's not. Please stop putting words in my mouth, and creating strawman.
This is what I originally said when you brought up that claim...
By ultimately I mean indirectly, not directly, and hence, violence begets violence.
That everything is not just its own unique moment in time. You have to consider the meta, and the events that leads up to other events. It's a chain of events.
So you're apologizing for the IDF shooting unarmed, innocent, civilian protestors? Many of them women and children?
Feel free to explain how you're not btw.
You're not playing your reverse Uno card right.
Not sure I'm understanding you correctly or not.
Are you saying that the US should force Israel to be a secular state?
Can one country force another country as to what their belief system should be?
Moooo, I guess. /shrug
How so? Honestly curious (specifically the secular part, not in general).
Also, while I am not an Israeli expert, my understanding was that a portion of the population is already seculist.
If you want to see the Palestinians live free then you want israel destroyed.
Look how Israel murders non Hamas Palestinians in the west bank and colonizes their land.
israel is a cartoonisly evil version of Jews that became the Nazi's themselves. Hamas is the result of people having tried every form of peaceful solution with israel and israel continuing to commit genocide.
No I do not. I want them both to live.
The israeli state needs to go, their people don't need to die for that. Jews couldn't live in peace with Hitler either. Now that Hitler is gone they can live in Germany again
israel is a Nazi-esque ethno state based on racism and discrimination. Unless that is removed you can't even begin to think of peace. Nazi's need to go.