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Idk if "little experience" means something in English, but what I meant is non-life changing/threatening. Things that would otherwise go unnoticed.

For me, it was when I stopped drinking acoholic beverages because.. I ended up finding it boring, I guess.

I started noticing how low key hostile my environment is towards people who dont drink. People started thinking I was sick, depressed, converted to islam, being snob, etc.

Bartenders started to openly mock me when I asked for a lemonade (they still do) : "We dont do that here", "Go to a physician if you need that", "you're in a bar you know ?".

I started realizing how hostile my country/region/groups can be to people who dont drink. Never realized that before.

Edit : typo

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[–] needthosepylons 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Good night !

Well, to tell you an abbreviated version of the story, I'm working two jobs, half time underpaid teacher and half time underpaid whatever-the-hell-I'm-doing (researcher on a health-related public org). Currently long term contracts.

Long weeks, barely hitting minimum wage, sometimes less than mw.

Ive been expecting one if these jobs to offer me a full time job.. Which they recently did. Both. But both did it in the form of 1 year contract with no guarantee for... after.

I planned to refuse them both. Income stability and the ability to make plans, even when broke, are too important to me.

My friend told me (gently) it was a mistake. That I'm sending the message that will stay even if they dont pay me well, that my unwillingness to take risks explains that i'm stuck on this position, that I could rely on unelployment payements for a year if nothing comes after one if those contacts. That it gives a bad signal to potential new employers.

I think my friend may be right but.. I dont know. It was kinda traumatic, a few years ago. I was working on 1 year contracts, one after the other. I fell sick and had quite heavy surgery. But it was 2 months before the term of my contract. I was so afraid of losing my job, getting evicted from my flat, going back to my family.. I ended up taking Ubers to go to work because I could barely walk, teaching under the effect to heavy painkillers, etc. Basically making the renewal of my contract a priority over my very health.

At that time I became very risk adverse, stability became my priority to never go through that again. But after this discussion, I'm a bit lost in thoughts, constantly wondering what I should do.

I think that episode is still too close and I'll stay in my current situation to avoid taking this kind of risks, but.. I'm still thinking. Maybe it still needs time to make it's way through my thoughts.

Sorry for the wall of text !

[–] ritswd 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hm, it’s hard to say without knowing the full picture, but I can see where your friend is coming from with this. Trying to think in those employers’ shoes, hiring you from part-time to full-time long-term would be a massive risk for them (particularly in France where we all know that breaking a C.D.I. if you start messing up would be insanely difficult). So, they’re limiting it in time to mitigate that new risk. But I can see how, in their mind, it’s a move forward in their trust for you, and it would be unreasonable in their mind not to mitigate the risk towards that extra trust.

My gut feel is: if you’re not planning to start messing up, then yeah there is additional risk for you for in a year, but it feels like a rather small risk for the reward opportunity if it works out. Also, the opportunity cost seems to be low, maybe even negative: if you stay in your current situation, then I’m guessing the next move forward to look forward to is… well, not much, right? If the alternative plan is to stay forever in this current situation, it doesn’t seem like much of a growth path forward.

I hope I’m not giving you bad advice with this, considering I don’t have the full picture.

One thing that worked out fantastically for me with uncomfortable risk over time is working on fallbacks. So, if I put a lot into plan A working, you can bet that there is a plan B I’m working on with equal fervor. And then nothing feel better than destroying all the work done towards plan B, if plan A ends up working out! But if it doesn’t… then at least you’re not out on your butt about it. So, if it fails in a year, what would you do? You may want to start making steps towards that, while staying hyper optimistic about plan A.

(Also, sometimes both plans work, and plan B ends up being surprisingly better than plan A once they both materialize. It’s rare so don’t count on it, but my point is plan B is never wasted work, and sometimes even less than it appears.)

[–] needthosepylons 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right, if I stay in my current situation, the plan is... quite nothing. I guess I was being naive, after 6 years working at Employer A and 3 years at Employer B, I was expecting something more, I suppose.

Actually, the initial plans A ans B were aiming for a CDI from either of them. I felt at first it was a improvement over hoping after a single employer. But in the end, it might have been a false good idea.

I'll reflect on your words, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this ! I dont really know what I'll do with this situation, but I think anyway it'll help shaking perspectives.

Thanks again !

[–] ritswd 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t think it was a false good idea, it seems like it was a pretty good plan. Unfortunately, what we know now is that you overshot, and you’re not gonna get the outcome you were going for, for either your plan A or plan B. It really sucks, I’m sorry for you.

Now, there’s no point dwelling on the could-have-beens. The only thing that matters now is what you can get moving forward, in this new world where we know what we know.

To be clear: I’m not telling you for sure whether you should accept or reject the offer, I don’t know enough about your situation to be sure. What I’m sure of is that whatever decision you make, if dwelling on “what could have been” is a major factor in the decision, that’s for sure a mistake to let it influence you. When you look back at it with hindsight, the dwelling will have gone away, you will have moved on, all you’ll see will be what you had for yourself at this point in time. Basically, don’t make future-you, who will have let go of the feelings of disappointment by then, regret the decision you’re making now.

[–] needthosepylons 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts (even though yes, yes can only be based on an incomplète picture, but still !)

I think I understand what you mean and I agree I wouldn't want to act based on "what could have been". I think I'm currently actively looking for stability, be it at the expense of other aspects. Whether it's a good or bad thing in the long run is another story, and one I'm currently doubting about, but what's certain is, let's say a month ago, I was 100% commited to that choice, with the benediction of future me.

So I guess that's something..! Anyway, thanks for helping me put things into perspective, kind and wise stranger :)