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His win is a direct result of the Supreme Court's decision in a pivotal LGBTQ+ rights case.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It could be more accurate. How is he discriminating against them? Oh, he's refusing service. Let me try the non-biased headline:

"Photographer wins right to refuse service to LGBTQ+ couples"

This way, instead of the vague term 'discrimination', we can focus on the specifics so people have a more accurate idea of what's going on.

[–] Stern 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He's refusing service... because they're LGBTQ+. That sounds fairly discriminatory to me.

[–] chiliedogg 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think they point he's trying to articulate is that he assumed it had to do with workforce discrimination and not refusing service.

They're different kinds of discrimination, and it like like both are legal in religious grounds in certain circumstances.

An example of legal religious employment discrimination is churches. They are allowed to require those in religious leadership and religious education positions to be professing members of the faith. But they CAN'T discriminate based on religion for non-religous positions.

So a Baptist Church can require that a pastor be a Christian, but can't fire the janitor for being Buddhist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ok so hear me out. I get what you're saying and your example also makes sense however I think one thing is being glossed over.

In drawing the equivalence to religious beliefs we are stating that those part of the LGBTQ2+ABC123 community are also simply pretending who they are.

That's not an equivalence I'm comfortable with. It's frankly demeaning to say that a trans person can just "stop thinking they're trans and be done with it".

One is discrimination based on what you believe and another is discrimination on who you are.

So to your example, I think it's better if you're a Baptist Church you can't require that a pastor be white just like you can't fire a janitor for being black.

[–] chiliedogg 2 points 1 year ago

They're not the same thing from a human perspective. But religious belief has the same protection under the law as other protected classes.

Many churches also ban gay or female clergy. Do I find that abhorrent? Absolutely. But it's reasonable for organizations to expect their leadership to represent their beliefs.

Look at it from the other direction. What if the GLAAD CEO were to join the Westboro Baptist Church, claim she'd been converted? Legally, her religion and religious speech is just as protected as race or sex, but GLAAD would certainly have cause to fire her for being a member of the WBC.

[–] NickwithaC 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The headline already gives the most accurate picture of what is going on than just saying "refusing service" because it includes why.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No it doesn't, for the reasons I explained.

If you think saying 'discrimination' is more accurate than saying what that discrimination is, then you simply don't have a firm grasp of the English language.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Awesome. I can finally refuse to hire Republicans.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it'd be more accurate to say you can refuse service to republicans, which you already could do.

You seem to be conflating hiring with serving.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd argue I have a way bigger legitimate interest in keeping conservatives out my workplace compared to this photographer's interest in refusing clients. We employ many LGBT people, and have had a handful of issues where regressive assholes cannot handle working with such people and cause problems.

I can demonstrate not only direct financial impacts of hiring Republicans, but a whole host of less tangible impacts of allowing such conflict into the workplace. It's actually striking how inevitable it is. The moment a person comes out as a Republican, it's basically a ticking clock until they will make their hate everyone's problem. As it stands we have to be extremely careful about firing these folks because of the conservative outrage machine, so if we could just be direct about not employing them that would honestly save me a lot of time.

Finally, unlike one's sexuality or gender, nobody is born conservative. If somebody reads a platform of hate and chooses to identify with that platform, then I should have a choice to marginalize such people to protect my family and business.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never said you were right or wrong, just that your conclusion wasn't an accurate representation of this specific case.

Pretty sure you can also refuse to hire someone based on their political beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

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