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[–] JUST_LET_ME_FAP 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure you choose to be a hateful spiteful Nazi. You don't choose to be gay. There's a HUGE difference. It is a bad faith argument to equate holding hateful views and opinions to being born different. With that reasoning, the feeling of discomfort when an owner sees a black person or an Asian person is acceptable grounds to deny services to them.

[–] Okokimup 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didnt equate hateful opinions to being born different. In my example, the business is not allowed to discriminate against gay people by denying them the same products and services that they provide to straight people, anymore than they could discriminate against people of color by denying them the same products and services they provide to white people. My scenario is about forcing businesses to actively participate in * behaviors* they find deplorable.

I would also say if the bakery won't put a gay topper on a cake, they can't put a specifically straight topper on either.

[–] JUST_LET_ME_FAP 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So what you're advocating is for everyone to get the same cake for all occasions and decorate it as they can in private? A gay couple should never be able to buy a cake with a topper, just a cake in public? Hide their shameful lifestyles? A boy shouldn't be able to buy a strawberry pink cake because that would be unnatural

anymore than they could discriminate against people of color by denying them the same products and services they provide to white people

That just never seems to work out right, judging by historical evidence, does it? Wouldn't it help if there were... Laws to protect from that?

I would also say if the bakery won't put a gay topper on a cake, they can't put a specifically straight topper on either.

How would that ever be enforced?

The point is: if you find proving a service to a gay person as deplorable as someone advocating for racial superiority or genocide, you should be forced to rethink your line of business

[–] Okokimup 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You have taken my comments and turned them into an extreme that they do not support.

Saying individual retailers should have the right not to sell a topper is not the same as saying no retailers should sell toppers.

Saying an individual service provider should not have to participate in an activity is not remotely saying anyone should have to hide themselves from public.

If the bakery sells pink cakes, by the actual argument I made, a boy should be able to buy the cake the same as any other customer. I do not appreciate you attributing to me arguments that not only did I not make, but are the exact opposite of what I said.

Edit: stray letter.