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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I draw the line at threatening or harming people.

Except these bans are harming people.
Anyone dictating what others can or cannot wear is harming people.

All this "enlightened" centrism bullshit does is enable oppressors.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree, but there is a somewhat thorny question here: Where does the dictation start?

Many of these students and their families are being dictated to by Sunni wahabbist imams trained and funded by Saudi oil money, and they actually come from cultures and religious traditions that didn’t give a shit about the abaya in the ‘60s and ‘70s.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Well how about they tackle the foreign financial support of such extremist religious subgroups then? How about they provide more public information about the personal rights of women to choose themself what they wear? How about providing better infrastructure with properly trained social workers to better help such women to flee from such oppressive households?

Any of these examples would be several times better at actually improving the lives of such women. Definitely more than them being forced to not wear something. Women who are forced to wear such stuff should be helped to understand that it isn't right for them to be forced to wear something they don't want. Guess what certainly doesn't help in that task, the state also dictating what they can't wear.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I draw the line at threatening or harming people

Except these bans are harming people

Sorry for not being clear in my statement. I mean harming as in: beheading, stoning, bombing, shooting, etc. Not as in hurting their feelings.

But we agree: nobody should impose on other people what they can or cannot wear, whether it is religious symbols or pirate regalia.

All this “enlightened” centrism bullshit does is enable oppressors

Could you please elaborate?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that you think this is about "hurt feelings" rather than what it is - actual oppression that leads to real life marginalisation, violence, and death, you're either not paying attention or are being wilfully ignorant and obtuse.

All this “enlightened” centrism bullshit does is enable oppressors
Could you please elaborate?

You could open your eyes, or simply take the idea of dictating what people do and don't wear to it's only conclusion (it is literally oppression in its own right, no matter your personal feelings on the matter), but here, I'll save you having to do any hard work:

specifically:

https://socialistworker.co.uk/what-we-think/stop-islamophobic-attacks-on-the-veil/

https://stockholmcf.org/intl-human-rights-bodies-warn-ecj-ruling-over-headscarf-ban-panders-to-prejudice/

https://daily.jstor.org/muslim-women-and-the-politics-of-the-headscarf/

generally:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

https://blacklikemao.medium.com/how-liberalism-helps-fascism-d4dbdcb199d9

https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, I truly have trouble understanding your sentences. I gather that you are upset, but I'm not sure about what, exactly. I hope things turn out okay for you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmfao, go fuck yourself you condescending wilfully ignorant fascism enabling prick. Was that clear enough for you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

go fuck yourself you condescending wilfully ignorant fascism enabling prick

I will do so thinking of you 😘

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

these bans harm people because they

  • encourage shitty men in the lives of these women to limit their education
  • encourage these hardcore religious communities to form and utilize their own school systems, which will indoctrinate their youth
  • encourage these families to leave France and potentially return to repressive theocratic states.
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

burning rainbow flags doesn't only hurt feelings

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate? What else does it do? I'm queer, and while I don't like seeing the rainbow flag being burnt, it doesn't compare with receiving a beating.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

it is a precursor to beating. Attack the symbols first and if it is socially accepted you can escalate to violence against the people. The Nazis didnt start by gassing the jews. they started with making it okay fo be hostile to them in public, denouncing them in every way and slowly ramping up the violence. Same story for any discrimination of minorities escalated into violence and murder.