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[–] BertramDitore 120 points 1 year ago (17 children)

There have been some pretty extensive studies that indicate that when you give poor people money, they become less poor. When you give poor people enough money to live on, they stop being poor. It’s a radical concept, but it’s also the truth.

[–] unfreeradical 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (41 children)

I read a study arguing that each time someone utters the letters U, B, and I, currency devalues itself by one thousand fold, chunks of the sky rain down on metropolitan centers, and everyone instantly becomes fat, lazy, and uninterested in any activities except playing video games.

[–] T00l_shed 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup I died because you said it, so thanks for that.

[–] unfreeradical 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If not myself, then someone else. Blame the system, not the individual.

[–] T00l_shed 2 points 1 year ago

If it had to he anyone, im glad it was you!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

UBI is pretty bad, but only because capitalists would abuse it. Get rid of the capitalists and we'd be fine

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah UBI would solve this. This might be a criticism of contemporary capitalism, but it isn't a critique of capitalism more broadly because in principle, capitalism can have a UBI.

More fruitful anti-capitalist critiques emphasize workplace authoritarianism, the employer's appropriation of the whole product of a firm, monopoly power associated with private ownership especially of land and natural resources, and inability to effectively allocate resources towards public goods

[–] unfreeradical 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A strike can last much longer if workers are not worried about their bread and roof.

Even without organization, a secure worker can bargain harder for higher wages and better conditions.

[–] kevinbacon 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Aaaaand there it is, the reason they fight so hard to keep you from that security.

Nonviolence won't solve this.

[–] unfreeradical 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope that the worst kinds of conflict prove avoidable, but historically, there is always someone who fires the first shots.

The Haymarket affair illustrates the matter quite well.

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[–] FlyingSquid 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Even a UBI specifically for food- food stamps for all- would make a massive change and improve millions of lives.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

In principle, and even in it's intended general practical application, I agree with you.

But in America, I can see both parties getting on board with a UBI, only because they'll use it to gut all other social welfare programs.

Need healthcare? UBI

Hungry? UBI

UBI can't pay for both at once? Tough shit. We abolished EBT and Medicare to pay for UBI.

[–] unfreeradical 8 points 1 year ago

All must be won by struggle. Elites never surrender privilege only by being asked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

EBT is a flat 200 a month at most and the ongoing application process is humiliating Kafkaesque bullshit I wouldn't wish on anyone after experiencing it, so I think it would work just fine to shut it down and fold it into a UBI, would be nice and simple and without complications. Health insurance on the other hand, cost varies wildly by circumstance but is generally more expensive, and because of incentives, price negotiations, all the bullshit involved with the system would be way more efficient and cost effective to have a universal healthcare program instead of giving out money to buy into a private insurance industry.

Fortunately, this seems to be recognized in most serious discussions about UBI. Almost everyone quickly acknowledges that the idea of replacing healthcare programs in particular with UBI is stupid. The UBI proposals I've seen that got any attention were explicit that it does not replace those. I don't think it's realistic they would actually try to replace Medicare with UBI.

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