this post was submitted on 05 Nov 2023
114 points (82.0% liked)

politics

19073 readers
4817 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

CBC.ca

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] TokenBoomer 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You’re refusing to understand my comment, and doggedly holding to the false dilemma. If you have to compromise your morals now, to win tomorrow, then you’ve already lost. The election is next year, a lot can change before then. The war is happening now.

[–] fubo 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Our voting system requires that voters "compromise their morals" if they want to avoid electing the most immoral candidate.

That is a mathematical truth about first-past-the-post voting. It is part of why we should switch to approval voting, ranked choice, or another such system as soon as possible. Most other systems require less compromising your morals to meet the goal of keeping the worst candidate out of office.

The moral voter recognizes this, realizes they cannot fix the voting system before the next election ...and refuses the temptation to let the bad guy win just to spite the insufficiently-good guy.

Morality ultimately rests on outcomes, not purity. If you take actions that are consistent with getting fascists elected, that is your morality right there.

[–] TokenBoomer -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You’ve lost the plot and are condoning genocide to win an election.

[–] fubo 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're supporting the growth of fascism. Please stop.

[–] TokenBoomer -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You first. People are dying now. The election is next year. Even Antifa, ya know, the anti-fascists, are against what Israel’s doing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Alright, fine. Turn the pressure up on Biden hoping he'll shift positions before the election. Cool.

The thing is, even if he doesn't shift, he's still the best option. At the moment, Biden is sympathetic to a fascist foreign government, but he's not trying to institute fascism in the US. Trump IS an outright fascist, and literally tried to overthrow the government. Biden is bad, but Trump is far worse, and unfortunately because of the way our election system works, any vote that isn't for Biden is equivalent to a vote for Trump, including not voting at all.

It's simple math. Ex: Biden has 5 votes, Trump has 6 votes, and 15 people didn't vote at all. Of those 15, 4 are Republicans against Trump, 7 are leftists that think Biden is too right wing, and 4 are genuine fence sitters. The fence sitters split evenly, so 7 votes for Biden and 8 for Trump, the other 11 stay home. So in total you have 14 people who ostensibly are more left wing and 12 more right wing, so a left wing majority... but Trump the actual fascist right wing candidate wins.

You can argue all you want that Biden isn't good enough for you, but the truth is Trump isn't bad enough for you. If he was, you'd be willing to make compromises to prevent him regaining power.